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And i do totally agree with you on this. Both presentations were pointless, stupid, superficial and idiotic. Still, the point here is not about sexism, but abo
by jnardiello 13y ago
And i do totally agree with you on this. Both presentations were pointless, stupid, superficial and idiotic.
Still, the point here is not about sexism, but about (as you mentioned) idiots being on stage presenting something they had to keep for themselves or for their local meetups.
- chris_wot 13y agoIt is about sexism. Tell me that this is not sexist? https://mobile.twitter.com/HateYouCards/status/376735190434840576/photo/1 https://mobile.twitter.com/HateYouCards/status/3767351904348...
- verroq 13y agoIs it sexist to like tits?
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y agoHaving a sexuality is not sexist. Sexualising the workplace usually is, as it makes it unfriendly to others. I appreciate that porn (hard, soft or just this smut) is a business too, but is that the business that techcrunch is in?
- WayneDB 13y agoEntertainment is part of tech and tits as well as tit jokes are damn entertaining.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago> tits as well as tit jokes are damn entertaining. For some only. That's the point.
- WayneDB 13y agoGuess what? Women find tit jokes funny too so don't even try and say that you know what the whole group of Women is thinking... Fuck cencorship. The freedom to offend is more important.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y agoNowhere did I say that I "know what the whole group of Women is thinking". It's a bit ironic that you precede that with "Women find tit jokes funny" which could be interpreted as you saying that you in fact do know. But I do know for a fact that some women, in fact some people do not find them funny. Which is what I did say.
- WayneDB 13y agoSo then what's your point? Don't joke about anything that anybody could possibly get offended at?
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y agoThat would be ideal, yes. But you could start with avoiding predictable offence to large percentage of people.
- WayneDB 13y agoPlease prove to me that the majority of women or even a large portion are offended. Nobody has done that yet. Furthermore, even if you could prove that - percentage has nothing to do with it. That is a completely arbitrary qualifier. Offending people is a birth given right. Get over it.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y agoNow you're just trolling. Given the response that occurred in the media and in general, I suggest that you prove the opposite.
- chris_wot 13y agoNo. I like them quite a bit. But it is sexist to make an app to encourage men to ogle random women's breasts and submit photos while doing so, to an audience of men and women.
- pstack 13y agoNo it isn't. Presenting it was not an act of discrimination or hate. It was inconsiderate and possibly both crude and dumb.
- chris_wot 13y agoIf its not sexist, then can you explain why it is inconsiderate?
- pstack 13y agoI understand that you're attempting to imply that showing consideration demonstrates an admittance of guilt. I'm afraid that's not a compelling argument. It's inconsiderate, because it could potentially make some members of the audience uncomfortable or self-aware. This would not be a concern if you knew the comportment of your audience. Snoop Dogg doesn't present himself or his content the same way on David Letterman that he does at a concert. Someone being uncomfortable with your content doesn't invalidate it nor does your taking their discomfort into consideration in either content or presentation. It shows that you are a mature human being with empathy.
- chris_wot 13y agoWhy did it make the audience members feel uncomfortable?
- WayneDB 13y agoIt's inconsiderate because they got all the men thinking about tits at a mostly tit-less conference.
- WayneDB 13y ago
- pstack 13y agoSexism is the assertion that one sex is inferior to the other, usually because of or alongside assertion of stereotypes of that gender. Misogyny is the hatred of women. Neither word really has anything to do with being attracted to the sexuality of the other gender. Neither word really has anything to do with simply being unkind, mean, or insensitive. Unfortunately, we often seem to throw these labels on people (labels which stick and aren't too dissimilar from calling someone a racist or homophobe) when they're not really relevant. Having a poster of a sexualized woman or buying videogames with attractive women on the poster or laughing at a joke about the other gender or saying a particular person of the other gender is an idiot are -- while unkind and inconsiderate -- not generally matters of discrimination, superiority, or "hate". Frankly, I feel we do a disservice to the value of these words in describing actual sexism and actual (but rare) misogyny by throwing them at everything under the sun that makes someone a little uncomfortable or is anything short of respectful. Of course, even suggesting that we should be more careful of our use of these words, I am now probably both of them.
- chris_wot 13y agoYou do not have a fully defined view of sexism there. One other part of sexism is sexual objectification, which reduces the person or whole gender to an instrument of sexual pleasure, without any view of the person's dignity or humanity.
- WayneDB 13y agoNobody was reduced to that though. What fun would a pair of tits floating in the air be? I'd rather stare at tits that are attached to a whole woman.