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> The sexism is in knowing that it will make most women somewhat uncomfortable, and some women very uncomfortable, and not caring. I'd go so far as to say that

> The sexism is in knowing that it will make most women somewhat uncomfortable, and some women very uncomfortable, and not caring. I'd go so far as to say that how is an app that is all about exploiting women NOT sexist? It is more than just making them uncomfortable. Some pics are taken of women that are drug addicted or white slaves or both. For most that do it on their own initiative, it is a decision they will regret later, but unlike a one night stand, it isn't just for one night. Those images stay around forever.

graue 13y ago
I think you may have misread ScottBurson's post. I interpreted as, "Some people might claim it's not sexist. <new line> But it is, because..."
parennoob 13y ago
How is staring at breasts supposed to 'exploit' women? You have an extremely puritanical attitude when it comes to this. I wonder what you think of nude photo models. Go back to the 17th century.
ScottBurson 13y ago
Just to be clear -- all I'm saying is that the argument (that these things aren't sexist) is being made -- as you can see if you read through the rest of the discussion.
- educating 13y ago
  Clarified my comment. Sorry- not trying to get you into trouble.
gojomo 13y ago
Personally I thought the demo was meta-commentary about absurd photo-sharing apps, community standards, and the combined awkwardness/humor of "men caught looking" (and then we, the audience or hypothetical users of the app, "caught looking at men looking"). Regressive, yes, but also recursive. The chosen example photos seemed to have as their subject the male gaze, not the breasts themselves. And, unless staged, such photos don't usually capture a "stare" but a "furtive glance": it is an artifact of the photo-taking (and then sharing) process that turns a momentary glance, that the subject might have hoped noone would notice, into a permanent, ranked "stare". The audience laughter was as much or more uncomfortable-distancing as it was enjoyment/approval, and the cultural differences in gender-sensitivity-taboos between Australia and Northern California added another interesting dimension to their act. I would consider it one of the more interesting performances in the SF Fringe Festival (http://www.sffringe.org/appl/ http://www.sffringe.org/appl/), now through September 21st on stages across San Francisco, and all the more notable because it was not, technically, an SF Fringe Festival entry or venue.
- Amadou 13y ago
  The chosen example photos seemed to have as their subject the male gaze, not the breasts themselves. Yes, so many people seem to have missed this key point. To quote from the opening sentence in the presentation - "Titstare is an app where you take photos of yourself staring at tits."
  - roguecoder 13y ago
    Right there, they have just assumed the audience is entirely male, entirely straight and entirely just as crass, rude and objectifying as they are. Even if the app weren't also obviously sexist and offensive, those assumptions are. (They are also insulting every man in the audience. I take personal offense that they assume I am as uncaring and lazy as they are.)
    - Amadou 13y ago
      they have just assumed the audience is entirely male, entirely straight and entirely just as crass, rude and objectifying as they are. No more so than other presenters assume that everyone in the audience is just like themselves.
    - gojomo 13y ago
      I don't believe any hack of the 250+ presented was intended to be equally useful to 100% of the audience. The 9-year-old certainly didn't assume the audience was entirely children looking for playdates. Since the presentation obviously wasn't serious, imputing any serious 'assumptions' to the presenters is silly. It's not even an app, really. It's a 'Joke App Mockup' – a bit of trolling performance art. You give it more voice and power with your outrage.

graue 13y ago

I think you may have misread ScottBurson's post. I interpreted as, "Some people might claim it's not sexist. <new line> But it is, because..."

parennoob 13y ago

How is staring at breasts supposed to 'exploit' women? You have an extremely puritanical attitude when it comes to this. I wonder what you think of nude photo models. Go back to the 17th century.

ScottBurson 13y ago

Just to be clear -- all I'm saying is that the argument (that these things aren't sexist) is being made -- as you can see if you read through the rest of the discussion.

educating 13y ago
Clarified my comment. Sorry- not trying to get you into trouble.

gojomo 13y ago

Personally I thought the demo was meta-commentary about absurd photo-sharing apps, community standards, and the combined awkwardness/humor of "men caught looking" (and then we, the audience or hypothetical users of the app, "caught looking at men looking"). Regressive, yes, but also recursive. The chosen example photos seemed to have as their subject the male gaze, not the breasts themselves. And, unless staged, such photos don't usually capture a "stare" but a "furtive glance": it is an artifact of the photo-taking (and then sharing) process that turns a momentary glance, that the subject might have hoped noone would notice, into a permanent, ranked "stare". The audience laughter was as much or more uncomfortable-distancing as it was enjoyment/approval, and the cultural differences in gender-sensitivity-taboos between Australia and Northern California added another interesting dimension to their act. I would consider it one of the more interesting performances in the SF Fringe Festival (http://www.sffringe.org/appl/ http://www.sffringe.org/appl/), now through September 21st on stages across San Francisco, and all the more notable because it was not, technically, an SF Fringe Festival entry or venue.

Amadou 13y ago
The chosen example photos seemed to have as their subject the male gaze, not the breasts themselves. Yes, so many people seem to have missed this key point. To quote from the opening sentence in the presentation - "Titstare is an app where you take photos of yourself staring at tits."
- roguecoder 13y ago
  Right there, they have just assumed the audience is entirely male, entirely straight and entirely just as crass, rude and objectifying as they are. Even if the app weren't also obviously sexist and offensive, those assumptions are. (They are also insulting every man in the audience. I take personal offense that they assume I am as uncaring and lazy as they are.)
  - Amadou 13y ago
    they have just assumed the audience is entirely male, entirely straight and entirely just as crass, rude and objectifying as they are. No more so than other presenters assume that everyone in the audience is just like themselves.
  - gojomo 13y ago
    I don't believe any hack of the 250+ presented was intended to be equally useful to 100% of the audience. The 9-year-old certainly didn't assume the audience was entirely children looking for playdates. Since the presentation obviously wasn't serious, imputing any serious 'assumptions' to the presenters is silly. It's not even an app, really. It's a 'Joke App Mockup' – a bit of trolling performance art. You give it more voice and power with your outrage.