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You may not have been personally offended, but if you're not able to understand why somebody might have been offended then that really does sum up why lots of p

by objclxt 13y ago

You may not have been personally offended, but if you're not able to understand why somebody might have been offended then that really does sum up why lots of people think tech has a problem with misogyny. The fact 'it was a joke' really isn't an excuse...I'd argue it actually makes it worse.

adamnemecek 13y ago
Could you please provide an extensive list of things that are ok to be offended by and that others have to accommodate?
- estel 13y ago
  No, because we have judgement. (And any given conference has its own rules regarding inclusivity and anti-discrimination).
  - adamnemecek 13y ago
    >> No, because we have judgement. Oh right, I forgot that we all have a one, shared judgement and that material that is offensive to one person is equally offensive to everyone else. >> any given conference has its own rules regarding inclusivity and anti-discrimination It appears that in this case they did not have these rules, the article says that they failed to "establish clear guidelines for these submissions". P.S. I find your comment extremely offensive, could you please remove it? Thanks.
  - __--__ 13y ago
    Except we don't. There are no clearly defined rules of what exactly defines sexism outside of "referring to women in a a way that makes anyone anywhere feel uncomfortable." It's entirely subjective and based on community, culture and societal standards. It's a landmine with wheels. Even if you stand perfectly still, it could bump into your leg at any moment and, I don't know, annoy you to death with shrill platitudes about patriarchy.
ng12 13y ago
I don't understand why the presentations in question were sexist/mysoginistic. Immature? Yes. Crude? Yes. Probably shouldn't have made it on stage? Yes. Sexist? I'm unconvinced. I also don't understand why they were only a problem because they were "sexist". The apps were parodying behavior that well... many men engage in -- which is something you can acknowledge regardless of your gender. The immaturity alone should have been grounds for exclusion. Calling them out specifically for sexism seems to be a little heavy handed.
- paranoiacblack 13y ago
  Yeah, I really don't see how an app that literally helps men objectify women in public is sexist at all. > which is something you can acknowledge regardless of your gender And age, apparently. Hence the 9-year old girl who I'm sure looked to her parental figure and said, "boy, ain't that the truth"
- roguecoder 13y ago
  Were there shots of men's cleavage? Nope? It was sexist by any reasonable definition of "sexism". Pointing that out isn't "heavy handed", it's the truth. Whoever doxed them was heavy-handed, but since I haven't seen any threat worse than "I will never work with them" apparently not that heavy-handed. There are consequences for performing your sexism for all the world to see.
  - __--__ 13y ago
    Let's say I've just spent the last 30 years on an isolated island in the south pacific. Could you define sexism for me, please, in a way that doesn't make it sound like "thoughtcrime" from 1984.

by objclxt 13y ago

adamnemecek 13y ago

Could you please provide an extensive list of things that are ok to be offended by and that others have to accommodate?

estel 13y ago
No, because we have judgement. (And any given conference has its own rules regarding inclusivity and anti-discrimination).
- adamnemecek 13y ago
  >> No, because we have judgement. Oh right, I forgot that we all have a one, shared judgement and that material that is offensive to one person is equally offensive to everyone else. >> any given conference has its own rules regarding inclusivity and anti-discrimination It appears that in this case they did not have these rules, the article says that they failed to "establish clear guidelines for these submissions". P.S. I find your comment extremely offensive, could you please remove it? Thanks.
- __--__ 13y ago
  Except we don't. There are no clearly defined rules of what exactly defines sexism outside of "referring to women in a a way that makes anyone anywhere feel uncomfortable." It's entirely subjective and based on community, culture and societal standards. It's a landmine with wheels. Even if you stand perfectly still, it could bump into your leg at any moment and, I don't know, annoy you to death with shrill platitudes about patriarchy.

ng12 13y ago

I don't understand why the presentations in question were sexist/mysoginistic. Immature? Yes. Crude? Yes. Probably shouldn't have made it on stage? Yes. Sexist? I'm unconvinced. I also don't understand why they were only a problem because they were "sexist". The apps were parodying behavior that well... many men engage in -- which is something you can acknowledge regardless of your gender. The immaturity alone should have been grounds for exclusion. Calling them out specifically for sexism seems to be a little heavy handed.

paranoiacblack 13y ago
Yeah, I really don't see how an app that literally helps men objectify women in public is sexist at all. > which is something you can acknowledge regardless of your gender And age, apparently. Hence the 9-year old girl who I'm sure looked to her parental figure and said, "boy, ain't that the truth"
roguecoder 13y ago
Were there shots of men's cleavage? Nope? It was sexist by any reasonable definition of "sexism". Pointing that out isn't "heavy handed", it's the truth. Whoever doxed them was heavy-handed, but since I haven't seen any threat worse than "I will never work with them" apparently not that heavy-handed. There are consequences for performing your sexism for all the world to see.
- __--__ 13y ago
  Let's say I've just spent the last 30 years on an isolated island in the south pacific. Could you define sexism for me, please, in a way that doesn't make it sound like "thoughtcrime" from 1984.