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If having your own government spy on you instead of the US, and if having US spyware secretly installed doesn't bug you, then feel free to run. But just rememb

by criley2 13y ago

If having your own government spy on you instead of the US, and if having US spyware secretly installed doesn't bug you, then feel free to run. But just remember: everyone is spying. We're all in this together, and running from one nationality to another will only change the name and face of who is watching you.

Zigurd 13y ago
Everyone is spying to the extent their budget allows. Keep in mind US military spending is larger that the rest of the world combined. Nobody else on the planet has the ability to bribe or coerce equipment and software makers like the NSA.
route66 13y ago
There is without doubt an asymmetry at play. Try to read the following headlines with reversed roles: http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/06/us-ambassador-to-spain-made-threats-to-force-spanish-government-to-pass-anti-piracy-legislation/ http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/06/us-ambassador-to-spai... In many countries the patience is running out. If that turns out to have political consequence remains to be seen. But I do not believe that all governments are the same in that respect.
fourletterword 13y ago
Agreed. However, there is a thing called economic espionage. Depending on what you're doing, having your own government spy on you can be a very different thing from having a foreign government spy on you. And no, I don't believe for a second the NSA isn't involved in economic espionage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/820758.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/820758.stm
dominotw 13y ago
> everyone is spying. Gut feeling? Not all countries have can afford an expensive program like NSA.
- mc32 13y ago
  Then, what you do, is what Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela did/does, you organize local watch committees. These bodies are set-up so that neighbors rat on neighbors. No big budgets necessary. You trust on one and by and large, you outwardly toe the party line.
  - tikums 13y ago
    Or maybe you do what Estonia does. False dichotomy?

by criley2 13y ago

Zigurd 13y ago

Everyone is spying to the extent their budget allows. Keep in mind US military spending is larger that the rest of the world combined. Nobody else on the planet has the ability to bribe or coerce equipment and software makers like the NSA.

route66 13y ago

There is without doubt an asymmetry at play. Try to read the following headlines with reversed roles: http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/06/us-ambassador-to-spain-made-threats-to-force-spanish-government-to-pass-anti-piracy-legislation/ http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/06/us-ambassador-to-spai... In many countries the patience is running out. If that turns out to have political consequence remains to be seen. But I do not believe that all governments are the same in that respect.

fourletterword 13y ago

Agreed. However, there is a thing called economic espionage. Depending on what you're doing, having your own government spy on you can be a very different thing from having a foreign government spy on you. And no, I don't believe for a second the NSA isn't involved in economic espionage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/820758.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/820758.stm

dominotw 13y ago

> everyone is spying. Gut feeling? Not all countries have can afford an expensive program like NSA.

mc32 13y ago
Then, what you do, is what Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela did/does, you organize local watch committees. These bodies are set-up so that neighbors rat on neighbors. No big budgets necessary. You trust on one and by and large, you outwardly toe the party line.
- tikums 13y ago
  Or maybe you do what Estonia does. False dichotomy?