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Yes, I think we should all be vaccinated, as the powers that be confidently tell us. And as a consumer of medicine, I observe that doctors are equally confiden

Yes, I think we should all be vaccinated, as the powers that be confidently tell us. And as a consumer of medicine, I observe that doctors are equally confident when they really don't know what they're talking about, and when their opinions aren't substantiated by science. (The command to wear padded running shoes, for instance.) And I know that the CIA organized a fake "vaccination drive" to get Osama bin Laden. So I understand why people who might not have a scientific education choose not to believe the vaccination story they're given by their government. Saying it louder and more often won't help.

Volpe 13y ago
> The command to wear padded running shoes, for instance. Physio's I've spoken to describe the pros and cons of both (barefoot, and padded) and let me decide. What command are you referring to?
- eru 13y ago
  Barefoot versus padded is a false dilemma. There are non padded shoes.
bayesianhorse 13y ago
The fake vaccination drive is going to do a lot of harm to the efforts of help organizations. Especially muslims showed in the past and present that they can hold a self-damaging grudge for a long time... In India for example, a lot of Muslims still believe almost any medical treatment by the government, especially contraception, can lead to sterilization. To be fair, there was a time in India when, especially Muslims, were sterilized against their will. This was a crime against humanity in my opinion, but the lack of trust is still damaging them.
ewoodrich 13y ago
So as to not provide any more baseless evidence against vaccines under the guise of impartial reasoning, the CIA led vaccination drive actually did provide vaccines in a poorly developed region, but the data collected led to the capture of Bin Laden. In and of itself, the vaccination drive wasn't some sort of hoax, and it had legitimate doctors and results. It had just been co-opted by the CIA for covert intelligence gathering.
- Steuard 13y ago
  That doesn't actually make it better. The point is that we want people in those communities to be able to trust that the doctors who come to their door don't have an ulterior motive. It's not a question of whether the vaccines are real (though faking that would of course have been far worse).
- streptomycin 13y ago
  It was a hoax. You need multiple doses of the vaccine over a span of months for it to work. They didn't do that. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-cia-fak... The misguided vaccine program in Pakistan was started in a poor neighborhood of Abbottabad, no doubt to give it an air of legitimacy. Yet after the first in a standard series of three hepatitis B shots was given, the effort was abandoned so that the team could move to bin Laden's wealthier community.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
And I know that the CIA organized a fake "vaccination drive" to get Osama bin Laden. I had not heard of that until now, but that will be incredibly damaging to vaccination efforts in developing countries (where vaccination is most effective).
warfangle 13y ago
Why don't you give your source for said CIA "drive" the same level of distrust as the FDA and your doctors? Or are you a primary source?
- auctiontheory 13y ago
  I know the Internet can seem overwhelming at times. Here you go: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cia+fake+vaccination+osama http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cia+fake+vaccination+osama
  - warfangle 13y ago
    Ignoring the question. I asked why you didn't give those sources the same level of apprehension. I'm familiar with the situation you snarkily linked to.

Volpe 13y ago

> The command to wear padded running shoes, for instance. Physio's I've spoken to describe the pros and cons of both (barefoot, and padded) and let me decide. What command are you referring to?

eru 13y ago
Barefoot versus padded is a false dilemma. There are non padded shoes.

bayesianhorse 13y ago

The fake vaccination drive is going to do a lot of harm to the efforts of help organizations. Especially muslims showed in the past and present that they can hold a self-damaging grudge for a long time... In India for example, a lot of Muslims still believe almost any medical treatment by the government, especially contraception, can lead to sterilization. To be fair, there was a time in India when, especially Muslims, were sterilized against their will. This was a crime against humanity in my opinion, but the lack of trust is still damaging them.

ewoodrich 13y ago

So as to not provide any more baseless evidence against vaccines under the guise of impartial reasoning, the CIA led vaccination drive actually did provide vaccines in a poorly developed region, but the data collected led to the capture of Bin Laden. In and of itself, the vaccination drive wasn't some sort of hoax, and it had legitimate doctors and results. It had just been co-opted by the CIA for covert intelligence gathering.

Steuard 13y ago
That doesn't actually make it better. The point is that we want people in those communities to be able to trust that the doctors who come to their door don't have an ulterior motive. It's not a question of whether the vaccines are real (though faking that would of course have been far worse).
streptomycin 13y ago
It was a hoax. You need multiple doses of the vaccine over a span of months for it to work. They didn't do that. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-cia-fak... The misguided vaccine program in Pakistan was started in a poor neighborhood of Abbottabad, no doubt to give it an air of legitimacy. Yet after the first in a standard series of three hepatitis B shots was given, the effort was abandoned so that the team could move to bin Laden's wealthier community.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

And I know that the CIA organized a fake "vaccination drive" to get Osama bin Laden. I had not heard of that until now, but that will be incredibly damaging to vaccination efforts in developing countries (where vaccination is most effective).

warfangle 13y ago

Why don't you give your source for said CIA "drive" the same level of distrust as the FDA and your doctors? Or are you a primary source?

auctiontheory 13y ago
I know the Internet can seem overwhelming at times. Here you go: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cia+fake+vaccination+osama http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cia+fake+vaccination+osama
- warfangle 13y ago
  Ignoring the question. I asked why you didn't give those sources the same level of apprehension. I'm familiar with the situation you snarkily linked to.