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He complains about how internals lacks leadership, so why doesn't step up and fill that void instead of running away?

• danudey 13y ago
  Because you can't take a toxic community and suddenly say 'Okay, I'm in charge!' without everyone else tearing you down. And perhaps he has other things to do with his time than babysit a bunch of (apparently) arrogant, condescending grown children.
• eksith 13y ago
  He tried that. He also cites an example : "To illustrate why this is an issue, I posted this reply explicitly asking for feedback on two items. How many replies did I get? One. A single reply. Oh, there were more replies to the thread afterwards. But they were too busy arguing over the other off-topic or non-constructive things in the above list to actually discuss the open issues with the proposal." The problem here seems to be quite endemic and I don't think there are any simple fixes. This seems to be a cultural problem. I'm not even sure how to tackle something like that.
• McGlockenshire 13y ago
  Beyond the fact that the PHP community doesn't really do the BDFL thing, the process for adopting changes to the language is designed to be run by group consensus, not by the older model of having a small group of self-appointed leaders. I suppose a core problem is that before the current process, a very large number of the people causing trouble happened to also be the self-appointed leaders.
• progx 13y ago
  It is not possible to change people, that dont want to be changed. As long as they not see, that there is something wrong, they will be against any change. This is absolutely normal, this ist humanly. He did the only right thing, he change himself and leave them. He want a change.
• deleted 13y ago
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