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Of course it is, and it was before the internet as Sweden has cables to/from Russia over which most of Russias traffic passes. Ive heard from former employees
by antocv 13y ago
Of course it is, and it was before the internet as Sweden has cables to/from Russia over which most of Russias traffic passes.
Ive heard from former employees at the then government owned Tele company that they had secretly installed black boxes in specific locations.
The FRA-law if you remember, which was passed after FRA illegally surveilled all communications they could get to make it legal, collects huge amounts of data, just like NSA, and then they trade with their NSA/GHCQ counter-parts. One argument for the surveillence was from some right-wing military person "Sweden needs a bargaining chip in the international scene".
- Udo 13y ago> "Sweden needs a bargaining chip in the international scene" Only it's not a bargaining chip, it's an ongoing commitment, a liability they can never get back out of. Once in place, pressure of all kinds is being exerted to make sure it stays that way.
- antocv 13y agoIndeed. I almost vomited when I read the ministers defence of this law and this relevation "we do this for freedom and democracy and to safeguard Swedish soldiers in foreign countries" then another one "we have regulations, courts and other laws in place to make sure everything is done by the rulebook".
- bsullivan01 13y agoOne argument for the surveillence was from some right-wing military person "Sweden needs a bargaining chip in the international scene". Ok then, he needs to look at the map http://www.sitesatlas.com/Maps/Maps/502.gif http://www.sitesatlas.com/Maps/Maps/502.gif and then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization Russsia isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.
- juhanima 13y agoActually, fear of Russia is the most powerful argument of the right-wing types. That is the very reason why Sweden has been eager to co-operate and assimilate with the west. Luckily for them, Finland has always been there to buffer and protect them from the easter invasion. EDIT: Having made such bold statements, thought it would be decent to provide some links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-Novgorodian_Wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-Novgorodian_Wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1554%E2%80%931557) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1554%E2%80%9... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1590%E2%80%931595) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1590%E2%80%9... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1741%E2%80%931743) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1741%E2%80%9... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1788%E2%80%931790) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1788%E2%80%9... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1808%E2%80%931809) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1808%E2%80%9... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War 'Always' was obviously an exaggaration. Eight hundred years would be more accurate, which is pretty much as far as written history goes at these parts.