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You're hurting no one through your so-called "dishonesty." Do you have a better solution? The system cannot be fixed to a complete extent quickly. My solution

You're hurting no one through your so-called "dishonesty." Do you have a better solution? The system cannot be fixed to a complete extent quickly. My solution is to avoid busywork classes and get high grades in the busywork classes so I can just skip assignments instead as often as possible. Do you have a better one?

GHFigs 17y ago
You're hurting no one through your so-called "dishonesty." Not true. You harm the honest students that are denied academic opportunity because dishonest students have higher grades. And by the way, it isn't "so-called" dishonesty, it is by definition dishonest. Whether you regard it as ethical or not does not change the meaning of the word. Do you have a better solution? What you propose is not a solution at all. It is an exploit.
- PieSquared 17y ago
  In terms of what it does for me, it's a solution, since it gets rid of the problem I have. Isn't it? Either way, I'd like to hear other solutions. I'm not content wasting my life away with busywork assigned in school, and I do not like the fact that mild academic dishonesty is necessary to combat that, so I would gladly listen to other suggestions. By the way, 'mild' is mild. I'm not talking about stealing code or copying projects or anything. I'm talking about (every so often) asking a friend for answers to questions on near-worthless homework assignments. As a side note, I'm not exactly sure why I'm being downvoted. Is there a more reasonable way to discuss this?
  - GHFigs 17y ago
    In terms of what it does for me, it's a solution, since it gets rid of the problem I have. You could say the same for theft, robbery, and murder. At some point in deciding how to act you must consider the effect your actions have on others. I call it an exploit because it exploits the broken nature of the system which rewards dishonest behavior. Your "solution" merely perpetuates the problem for everyone. academic dishonesty is necessary It is not necessary to achieve either of the aims you have described (not wasting your life away and getting into a decent university). The former can be achieved by not doing the work. The latter can be achieved by doing the work to earn adequate grades. Neither requires dishonesty. It is not even necessary to achieve both. Withdrawing from school and getting a GED avoids wasting one's life away there, and getting into a decent college can be facilitated by enrolling in a community college and obtaining the appropriate test scores. This does not require dishonesty, wasting time, or forgoing educational opportunity. I'm not exactly sure why I'm being downvoted. FWIW, it isn't me. I don't like drive-by downvoting either.
- perokreco 17y ago
  The fact that somebody is denied academic opportunity is not the fault of the person who cheats but of the social/economic system that does not allow everybody to have academic opportunities.

GHFigs 17y ago

You're hurting no one through your so-called "dishonesty." Not true. You harm the honest students that are denied academic opportunity because dishonest students have higher grades. And by the way, it isn't "so-called" dishonesty, it is by definition dishonest. Whether you regard it as ethical or not does not change the meaning of the word. Do you have a better solution? What you propose is not a solution at all. It is an exploit.

PieSquared 17y ago
In terms of what it does for me, it's a solution, since it gets rid of the problem I have. Isn't it? Either way, I'd like to hear other solutions. I'm not content wasting my life away with busywork assigned in school, and I do not like the fact that mild academic dishonesty is necessary to combat that, so I would gladly listen to other suggestions. By the way, 'mild' is mild. I'm not talking about stealing code or copying projects or anything. I'm talking about (every so often) asking a friend for answers to questions on near-worthless homework assignments. As a side note, I'm not exactly sure why I'm being downvoted. Is there a more reasonable way to discuss this?
- GHFigs 17y ago
  In terms of what it does for me, it's a solution, since it gets rid of the problem I have. You could say the same for theft, robbery, and murder. At some point in deciding how to act you must consider the effect your actions have on others. I call it an exploit because it exploits the broken nature of the system which rewards dishonest behavior. Your "solution" merely perpetuates the problem for everyone. academic dishonesty is necessary It is not necessary to achieve either of the aims you have described (not wasting your life away and getting into a decent university). The former can be achieved by not doing the work. The latter can be achieved by doing the work to earn adequate grades. Neither requires dishonesty. It is not even necessary to achieve both. Withdrawing from school and getting a GED avoids wasting one's life away there, and getting into a decent college can be facilitated by enrolling in a community college and obtaining the appropriate test scores. This does not require dishonesty, wasting time, or forgoing educational opportunity. I'm not exactly sure why I'm being downvoted. FWIW, it isn't me. I don't like drive-by downvoting either.
perokreco 17y ago
The fact that somebody is denied academic opportunity is not the fault of the person who cheats but of the social/economic system that does not allow everybody to have academic opportunities.