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> When you take a class, you enter into a contract (often an explicit academic honesty policy) to not cheat. There's quite a difference between a university wh
by lucumo 17y ago
> When you take a class, you enter into a contract (often an explicit academic honesty policy) to not cheat.
There's quite a difference between a university where you're on your own volition and high school where you're obligated to stay. The morality of cheating in high school is a lot different from cheating in a university.
- GHFigs 17y agoBullshit. You can't separate them like that when your admission to a given university is based largely on your academic performance in high school. Your presence there is not just by your own choice; you're competing with others for limited enrollment. By cheating to get enrolled in the first place you deprive honest students of academic opportunity.
- Confusion 17y agoYou're equating 'cheating' with 'lacking knowledge/skill', which is unfounded. In the preceding discussion we are talking about cases where cheating would be considered ethical by some, because the trade-off is acceptable. For instance, someone may be on their way to becoming a very good physicist and doesn't care for compulsory german. Who cares if a current physics professor ever cheated at german?
- GHFigs 17y agoYou're equating 'cheating' with 'lacking knowledge/skill' I said nothing of the kind. I am saying it is an unfair advantage in obtaining academic opportunity over equally or more capable students who are more honest. Even between two students of exactly equal ability, the dishonest student has the advantage. For instance, someone may be on their way to becoming a very good physicist and doesn't care for compulsory german. What part of this implies they deserve a high grade in German? Would a student doing equally well in German but poorly in Physics (because he doesn't care for it) deserve a high grade in Physics? Do either of them deserve higher grades than an honest student earning grades slightly below each of them? Does that student deserve to go to an inferior college?
- Confusion 17y agoI am saying it is an unfair advantage in obtaining academic opportunity That's a US-specific problem. Here anyone that has obtained a degree can enroll in pretty much any course at any university/college. What part of this implies they deserve a high grade in German? People that cheat seldomnly have high grade averages in the subject they cheat in. The just manage to pass the subject. But that's also a US specific problem. Grade averages are much less an issue here.
- GHFigs 17y agoIt is not a US-specific problem just because it isn't a problem in your locale, nor would being US-specific invalidate anything I've said.