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Who is going to take the burden of verifying who is talented and who is not?

by ilkhd2 17y ago

known 17y ago
http://tr.im/lfya http://tr.im/lfya
ardit33 17y ago
The same people that scream against H-1B. The ACM!! Every year they throw a contest about programming, where most schools in the US, and many in the world participate. http://cm2prod.baylor.edu/welcome.icpc http://cm2prod.baylor.edu/welcome.icpc I did, back in the day, and it is pure programming talent contest, there is no way you can cheat to it, or fake it. If you do really well in it, you ARE a really good programmer. If you score, let's say, top 30% on that contest, you should be stapled a green card and come here, IF you want to. For many years, there was University of Petersburg (Russia), would win the contest. A lot of these kids would get jobs from IBM, or MS. I'd say lets staple them a green card, and make them work for who the fuck they want, and maybe they create a startup, or join one, and hire even more middle/average americans also. Remember, a lot of startups have limited resources to deal with visa/green card sponsorship, so they can't afford to hire some of these bright guys. If they were allowed to work for whatever they wanted to, then they probably would benefit a lot of startup that needs really great talent (which might get wasted in a large company). it is a win win situation. But no, ACM and it's cousin, the EEC, are just taken over by bigots. If, they had their say, they would close the borders completely. Well, accidentally, they have deviced a really good way to find out good programmers, from a bad one. If you say this country has enough smart people, and it doesn't need more, i say you are full of shit. Economic opportunity is not a zero sum game. If you give more people the ability to 'be all they can be', without visa restriction bullshit, then there is more human potential to be unleashed, and utilized for the best. If you want your country to look more like Detroit, or Alabama, then close your borders...
- ilkhd2 17y ago
  What is connection between Detroit and Green Card? I'd say,Detroit is exactly an outcome of excessive reliance on foreign intellectual force for building and sustaining economy. Foreign intellectual force has a nasty habit fleeing home or to some other country, (for example, one up north), in case of economic downturn in the country; and that accelerates downturn really badly.Especially bad, that accumulated knowledge is also carried out of the country together with H1B-guys. Corollary: no matter how arrogant Americans are about their country the standards of living are not highest there, and with worsening of the economy exodus will grow bigger and bigger..

Who is going to take the burden of verifying who is talented and who is not?

by ilkhd2 17y ago

Who is going to take the burden of verifying who is talented and who is not?

known 17y ago

http://tr.im/lfya http://tr.im/lfya

ardit33 17y ago

The same people that scream against H-1B. The ACM!! Every year they throw a contest about programming, where most schools in the US, and many in the world participate. http://cm2prod.baylor.edu/welcome.icpc http://cm2prod.baylor.edu/welcome.icpc I did, back in the day, and it is pure programming talent contest, there is no way you can cheat to it, or fake it. If you do really well in it, you ARE a really good programmer. If you score, let's say, top 30% on that contest, you should be stapled a green card and come here, IF you want to. For many years, there was University of Petersburg (Russia), would win the contest. A lot of these kids would get jobs from IBM, or MS. I'd say lets staple them a green card, and make them work for who the fuck they want, and maybe they create a startup, or join one, and hire even more middle/average americans also. Remember, a lot of startups have limited resources to deal with visa/green card sponsorship, so they can't afford to hire some of these bright guys. If they were allowed to work for whatever they wanted to, then they probably would benefit a lot of startup that needs really great talent (which might get wasted in a large company). it is a win win situation. But no, ACM and it's cousin, the EEC, are just taken over by bigots. If, they had their say, they would close the borders completely. Well, accidentally, they have deviced a really good way to find out good programmers, from a bad one. If you say this country has enough smart people, and it doesn't need more, i say you are full of shit. Economic opportunity is not a zero sum game. If you give more people the ability to 'be all they can be', without visa restriction bullshit, then there is more human potential to be unleashed, and utilized for the best. If you want your country to look more like Detroit, or Alabama, then close your borders...

ilkhd2 17y ago
What is connection between Detroit and Green Card? I'd say,Detroit is exactly an outcome of excessive reliance on foreign intellectual force for building and sustaining economy. Foreign intellectual force has a nasty habit fleeing home or to some other country, (for example, one up north), in case of economic downturn in the country; and that accelerates downturn really badly.Especially bad, that accumulated knowledge is also carried out of the country together with H1B-guys. Corollary: no matter how arrogant Americans are about their country the standards of living are not highest there, and with worsening of the economy exodus will grow bigger and bigger..