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Greyp: bicycle when you want it, a motorcycle when you need it

knappe 13y ago
It weighs 108 pounds. That is ridiculously heavy and I could never imagine climbing any hills with this thing without using the assistance.
- stbtrax 13y ago
  nor can I condone someone on that beast with a 40MPH top speed riding on sidewalks/bikelanes as they do in the video
- BruceIV 13y ago
  Exactly. This is an underpowered motorbike with a pedal-powered assist, which, due to some regulatory grey areas is likely legal for use on bike paths. As an actual bicycle commuter I don't approve.
  - Wingman4l7 13y ago
    Pedal-powered assist? Those pedals are probably purely cosmetic at that weight. I'd love to see someone try to get that thing moving from a standstill using just the pedals.
pedalpete 13y ago
I love this as a commuting solution, hate it as a mountain bike. The last thing we need is some yahoo able to lay down more power than they can pedal and erode the trails. You want to use a trail, pedal up, or go to a downhill park where they have the resources to build on the trails to take that kind of abuse. Same with the danger of using this sort of 'bike' on bike paths or crowded urban areas. I think their promo video is demonstrating that they are just asking for trouble. Hopefully greyp, figures out the damage they could be doing to their brand and goes the commuter route. I think the market for a powerful/fast power assisted commuter bike is big enough. Why go after the small urban rider and lazy ignorant downhiller markets?
feniv 13y ago
So is it legal to ride this on sidewalks and bike-lanes?
twiceaday 13y ago
I was expecting a command line tool.
zalew 13y ago
Poor choice as a bike and poor choice as a motorcycle, yet looks like a nice means of commuting through town provided it's legal to use bicycle paths with that thing in your country, otherwise it's just an electrical moped. Too bad the price will probably be ridiculous and it will end up as the next segway. If it manages to get actual demand around the world, they are probably to face regulatory nightmares regarding speed. F.ex. in Poland 65 km/h disqualifies it from the moped category (< 45 km/h), and the mopeds themselves aren't allowed on bike lanes anyway, so it'd be just a less comfortable less powerful electric scooter.
- tankbot 13y ago
  I agree with everything except the 'next segway' bit. The segway had it's day partly due to the novelty, but this is just a fancy (and heavy!) electric mo-ped. Mo-peds have been around a long time. Nothing to see here.
  - zalew 13y ago
    'next segway' as in too expensive for its purpose to become a comodity.
- kinkora 13y ago
  I am assuming you are in the EU and you know more about the laws there. Did you read this bit from the site? Driving modes - Most EU countries consider two-wheeled electric vehicles as motorcycles if they can reach a speed in excess of 25 km/h and have more than 250 W of power. The G-12 has a special mode to comply with the regulations for road vehicles – which limits the speed and power. Still, the top-speed is just a tap on the touch-screen away when you need it. Doesn't that place it under the "bicycle" category? Or are they skirting the issue and the authorities will not likely deem it that way regardless what "mode" you put it?
  - zalew 13y ago
    I'd have to dig into the subject and I can't speak for the whole EU. In my country, by definition, a bicycle can't be powered only by an engine. Electric bikes are bicycles when their electrical engine is powered by pedalling, how weird wouldn't that sound. The electrical engine can't be more than 250W and needs to power off over 25km/h. Not sure the 'modes' would count, IANAL. (But keep in mind Poland is a beaurocratic hell and our laws regarding even normal bicycles are an evil clusterfuck, as an example we have 4k people locked up for bicycle DUI and only 1k more for DUI in a car, and during the last policies update blinking headlights and reflective tires were banned - in the name of safety of'koz.) It may work differently in other countries. F.ex. in Poland you can make a motorbike license and jump on a Hayabusa, Germans have graded licences based on power so noobs don't kill themselves on the first day, etc. Most unified laws among the EU concern trade, not issues like road safety.
willbartlett 13y ago
As an avid hot rodder and restorer of vintage 70's mopeds, the tag line lead me to believe someone had brought back a true moped to the market. For those in California, in street mode this would be classified as a "motorized bicycle" if it went under 20mph. If it went over 20 and below 30 ( as it does in speed mode) it would require registration and a "M2" Moped Motorcycle license. Over 30 would equal a "motor driven cycle" and would essentially be a small motorcycle and would require plating, registration and an M1. http://www.myronsmopeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Laws-Classification-of-Motor-Bikes.jpg http://www.myronsmopeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Laws-...
- owenfi 13y ago
  Seems you no longer think so? Why not?
akandiah 13y ago
The "Bomber" electric bike by Stealth Electric Bike offers a lot more speed: http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com.au/bomber.html http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com.au/bomber.html
vacri 13y ago
Whenever I see beige in a product colour scheme, I am reminded of a friend's statement: Beige isn't a colour, it's a lifestyle.
coherentpony 13y ago
"Greyp, where guys can rough it up in the woods and girls don't have to pedal home from work." Edit: In all seriousness, that video was a complete disgrace.
amadeus 13y ago
Spoken by someone who truly has never ridden a motorcycle before.
seclorum 13y ago
Yikes, what a terrible name for this thing. How do you pronounce it? Lets break it down: Option 1: "Gr-II-P" .. gripe. Yeah, I ride my gripe around. Option 2: "Gr-AY-p" .. yeah, I'm gonna just get on the grape. Option 3: "Gr-EE-p" .. just gonna 'greep' (creep) around the streets, yo.. Option 4: "Gr-E-p" .. okay, this might just work for me. ;) Option 5: "Grey-P" .. My pee is grey, my pee is grey! Seriously, greyp-bikes folks, please re-consider your awful, awful brand statement.

It weighs 108 pounds. That is ridiculously heavy and I could never imagine climbing any hills with this thing without using the assistance.

stbtrax 13y ago
nor can I condone someone on that beast with a 40MPH top speed riding on sidewalks/bikelanes as they do in the video
BruceIV 13y ago
Exactly. This is an underpowered motorbike with a pedal-powered assist, which, due to some regulatory grey areas is likely legal for use on bike paths. As an actual bicycle commuter I don't approve.
- Wingman4l7 13y ago
  Pedal-powered assist? Those pedals are probably purely cosmetic at that weight. I'd love to see someone try to get that thing moving from a standstill using just the pedals.

pedalpete 13y ago

I love this as a commuting solution, hate it as a mountain bike. The last thing we need is some yahoo able to lay down more power than they can pedal and erode the trails. You want to use a trail, pedal up, or go to a downhill park where they have the resources to build on the trails to take that kind of abuse. Same with the danger of using this sort of 'bike' on bike paths or crowded urban areas. I think their promo video is demonstrating that they are just asking for trouble. Hopefully greyp, figures out the damage they could be doing to their brand and goes the commuter route. I think the market for a powerful/fast power assisted commuter bike is big enough. Why go after the small urban rider and lazy ignorant downhiller markets?

feniv 13y ago

So is it legal to ride this on sidewalks and bike-lanes?

twiceaday 13y ago

I was expecting a command line tool.

zalew 13y ago

Poor choice as a bike and poor choice as a motorcycle, yet looks like a nice means of commuting through town provided it's legal to use bicycle paths with that thing in your country, otherwise it's just an electrical moped. Too bad the price will probably be ridiculous and it will end up as the next segway. If it manages to get actual demand around the world, they are probably to face regulatory nightmares regarding speed. F.ex. in Poland 65 km/h disqualifies it from the moped category (< 45 km/h), and the mopeds themselves aren't allowed on bike lanes anyway, so it'd be just a less comfortable less powerful electric scooter.

tankbot 13y ago
I agree with everything except the 'next segway' bit. The segway had it's day partly due to the novelty, but this is just a fancy (and heavy!) electric mo-ped. Mo-peds have been around a long time. Nothing to see here.
- zalew 13y ago
  'next segway' as in too expensive for its purpose to become a comodity.
kinkora 13y ago
I am assuming you are in the EU and you know more about the laws there. Did you read this bit from the site? Driving modes - Most EU countries consider two-wheeled electric vehicles as motorcycles if they can reach a speed in excess of 25 km/h and have more than 250 W of power. The G-12 has a special mode to comply with the regulations for road vehicles – which limits the speed and power. Still, the top-speed is just a tap on the touch-screen away when you need it. Doesn't that place it under the "bicycle" category? Or are they skirting the issue and the authorities will not likely deem it that way regardless what "mode" you put it?
- zalew 13y ago
  I'd have to dig into the subject and I can't speak for the whole EU. In my country, by definition, a bicycle can't be powered only by an engine. Electric bikes are bicycles when their electrical engine is powered by pedalling, how weird wouldn't that sound. The electrical engine can't be more than 250W and needs to power off over 25km/h. Not sure the 'modes' would count, IANAL. (But keep in mind Poland is a beaurocratic hell and our laws regarding even normal bicycles are an evil clusterfuck, as an example we have 4k people locked up for bicycle DUI and only 1k more for DUI in a car, and during the last policies update blinking headlights and reflective tires were banned - in the name of safety of'koz.) It may work differently in other countries. F.ex. in Poland you can make a motorbike license and jump on a Hayabusa, Germans have graded licences based on power so noobs don't kill themselves on the first day, etc. Most unified laws among the EU concern trade, not issues like road safety.

willbartlett 13y ago

As an avid hot rodder and restorer of vintage 70's mopeds, the tag line lead me to believe someone had brought back a true moped to the market. For those in California, in street mode this would be classified as a "motorized bicycle" if it went under 20mph. If it went over 20 and below 30 ( as it does in speed mode) it would require registration and a "M2" Moped Motorcycle license. Over 30 would equal a "motor driven cycle" and would essentially be a small motorcycle and would require plating, registration and an M1. http://www.myronsmopeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Laws-Classification-of-Motor-Bikes.jpg http://www.myronsmopeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Laws-...

owenfi 13y ago
Seems you no longer think so? Why not?

akandiah 13y ago

The "Bomber" electric bike by Stealth Electric Bike offers a lot more speed: http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com.au/bomber.html http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com.au/bomber.html

vacri 13y ago

Whenever I see beige in a product colour scheme, I am reminded of a friend's statement: Beige isn't a colour, it's a lifestyle.

coherentpony 13y ago

"Greyp, where guys can rough it up in the woods and girls don't have to pedal home from work." Edit: In all seriousness, that video was a complete disgrace.

amadeus 13y ago

Spoken by someone who truly has never ridden a motorcycle before.

seclorum 13y ago

Yikes, what a terrible name for this thing. How do you pronounce it? Lets break it down: Option 1: "Gr-II-P" .. gripe. Yeah, I ride my gripe around. Option 2: "Gr-AY-p" .. yeah, I'm gonna just get on the grape. Option 3: "Gr-EE-p" .. just gonna 'greep' (creep) around the streets, yo.. Option 4: "Gr-E-p" .. okay, this might just work for me. ;) Option 5: "Grey-P" .. My pee is grey, my pee is grey! Seriously, greyp-bikes folks, please re-consider your awful, awful brand statement.