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It is dishonest to ignore it, and it is dishonest to hold it up as representative.

by NoPiece 13y ago

ripter 13y ago
It didn't sound like he was holding it up as representative to me. Just that he wanted to acknowledge that both ends exists.
- smokeyj 13y ago
  FTA: The blueprint still used for today’s schools was developed during the Protestant Reformation, when schools were created to teach children to read the Bible, to believe scripture without questioning it, and to obey authority figures without questioning them. So the worst case of homeschooling is better than the ideal model of public education? As long as we're on the topic of cultish practices, I'm not very comfortable with an institution that forces its "pupils" to pledge allegiance to flag on a daily basis. I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times, and are probably incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority. It's just a hypothesis.
  - saraid216 13y ago
    > The blueprint still used for today’s schools was developed during the Protestant Reformation, when schools were created to teach children to read the Bible, to believe scripture without questioning it, and to obey authority figures without questioning them. This came as a surprise to me, so I looked it up: http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Protestant-Reformation.html http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Protestant-Reformation.h... Not the most authoritative resource, but the provided bibliography is at least impressive. > I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times, and are probably incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority. And this is why I'm not upvoting you.
  - ikt 13y ago
    > I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times There are other countries besides the US you know... we don't pledge to any flag in Australia, and I'm certainly not "incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority" which funnily enough seems like an opinion regurgitated to you from a figure of authority :P I'm not against home schooling per say, I'm against idiots teaching kids poorly. This is the dilemma we have.
    - smokeyj 13y ago
      > I'm against idiots teaching kids poorly. This is the dilemma we have. Unless it's at a national and systematic level. Then it's kosher.
ninguem2 13y ago
From a purely statistical point of view (user logjam gave numbers and a link in another comment), yes it is representative.
- ripter 13y ago
  Considering I have no idea what he may or may not have said in another comment, either before or after my comment. I still don't think that his comment made any claims that it was representative.
  - ninguem2 13y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6330874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6330874
- icelancer 13y ago
  Just because it is "representative" does not make it an evil source. The driving force behind the stupidity is not home schooling but the faith that drives home schooling. Peanut allergies are a real problem and kill lots of people. Do we ban peanuts and sue God? Is that the plan?

It is dishonest to ignore it, and it is dishonest to hold it up as representative.

by NoPiece 13y ago

It is dishonest to ignore it, and it is dishonest to hold it up as representative.

It didn't sound like he was holding it up as representative to me. Just that he wanted to acknowledge that both ends exists.

smokeyj 13y ago
FTA: The blueprint still used for today’s schools was developed during the Protestant Reformation, when schools were created to teach children to read the Bible, to believe scripture without questioning it, and to obey authority figures without questioning them. So the worst case of homeschooling is better than the ideal model of public education? As long as we're on the topic of cultish practices, I'm not very comfortable with an institution that forces its "pupils" to pledge allegiance to flag on a daily basis. I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times, and are probably incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority. It's just a hypothesis.
- saraid216 13y ago
  > The blueprint still used for today’s schools was developed during the Protestant Reformation, when schools were created to teach children to read the Bible, to believe scripture without questioning it, and to obey authority figures without questioning them. This came as a surprise to me, so I looked it up: http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Protestant-Reformation.html http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Protestant-Reformation.h... Not the most authoritative resource, but the provided bibliography is at least impressive. > I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times, and are probably incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority. And this is why I'm not upvoting you.
- ikt 13y ago
  > I hypothesize that people who are against homeschooling pledged to flags many of times There are other countries besides the US you know... we don't pledge to any flag in Australia, and I'm certainly not "incapable of forming opinions that aren't regurgitated to them from a figure of authority" which funnily enough seems like an opinion regurgitated to you from a figure of authority :P I'm not against home schooling per say, I'm against idiots teaching kids poorly. This is the dilemma we have.
  - smokeyj 13y ago
    > I'm against idiots teaching kids poorly. This is the dilemma we have. Unless it's at a national and systematic level. Then it's kosher.

ninguem2 13y ago

From a purely statistical point of view (user logjam gave numbers and a link in another comment), yes it is representative.

ripter 13y ago
Considering I have no idea what he may or may not have said in another comment, either before or after my comment. I still don't think that his comment made any claims that it was representative.
- ninguem2 13y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6330874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6330874
icelancer 13y ago
Just because it is "representative" does not make it an evil source. The driving force behind the stupidity is not home schooling but the faith that drives home schooling. Peanut allergies are a real problem and kill lots of people. Do we ban peanuts and sue God? Is that the plan?