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IMO iOS 7 is a textbook case of fixing something that's not broken.

joshdance 13y ago
Follow that logic and we would never put out new features on anything. Not broken, don't improve.
logicallee 13y ago
The transitions to mainframes, Personal Computers, laptops, mobile phones, smartphones, are textbook cases of fixing something that wasn't 'broken'. I think if you're not careful the future will creep up on you without fixing anything.
eddieroger 13y ago
Have you used it? Are you familiar with what it's doing or how it's doing it? Or just immediately dismissing it for no reason? For me, as a developer, it's fixing tons of things that were broken and allowing me to do lots of amazing new things with my apps that I haven't yet - while still letting the user dictate behavior and usage.
- HNLogInShit 13y ago
  Like what? Background fetching is great. What else? For the end user, iOS 7 is a UI fiasco and a massive regression. Spindly, illegible text. A ridiculously degraded calendar, which no longer shows a concise list of a day's appointments but instead forces you to scroll through every hour of the day, hunting for whatever it is you have scheduled. "Transparency", a stupid UI idea that came and went a decade ago because it SUCKED. Why do I want to see the crap BEHIND the UI I'm trying to use? Oh, but I don't really see it; I see a mottled mess of a background, because it's "blurred." This of course renders text illegible in many cases, because the background may be any combination of colors. There are the tiny, undefined control areas. The invisible controls. The unresponsive controls. The camera icon on the lock screen is a great example of Apple's UI stupidity (which predates iOS 7). People are still trying to tap this thing, because Apple inexplicably doesn't put an ARROW above it to show you WTF you're supposed to do. Why? There's no excuse for it.
roin 13y ago
I remember when someone writing for TechCrunch published a takedown of the iOS 4 beta for ruining the iPhone experience with distracting features such as folders and wallpaper. The unlikely day that Apple takes the approach that "you don't fix what ain't broke" would be a sad sad day indeed.
- bztzt 13y ago
  I would still question the value of folders. It makes the homescreen customization experience more confusing and frustrating for everyone in exchange for functionality that's only really useful for a small % of enthusiasts.
  - r00fus 13y ago
    Almost everyone I talked to uses folders - especially in iOS where you can dynamically create folders by drag/drop. The alternative if you have 3 dozen or more apps is pretty daunting. Where I do agree with you is that Springboard needs a major update - I want to see a grid of apps I've recently launched for example (the recents tray on double-tap home is way too small). Or ones that have updates/badges so I don't have to hunt over my 5-6 screens for updates. Perhaps the notifications enhancements (and the "today overview" a la Google Now) might alleviate this.
jliptzin 13y ago
Yes, I am a developer as well and have been using iOS 7 on my personal device for about a month now. I am only speaking about the UI - sorry I didn't make that clear. I prefer the previous UI. Easier to read and navigate and buttons/controls stand out more, which is important for a small touchscreen device. Control center is a small improvement, but iOS 7 UI is a step backwards for overall usability. That's just my opinion after 1 month of heavy use.

Follow that logic and we would never put out new features on anything. Not broken, don't improve.

The transitions to mainframes, Personal Computers, laptops, mobile phones, smartphones, are textbook cases of fixing something that wasn't 'broken'. I think if you're not careful the future will creep up on you without fixing anything.

eddieroger 13y ago

Have you used it? Are you familiar with what it's doing or how it's doing it? Or just immediately dismissing it for no reason? For me, as a developer, it's fixing tons of things that were broken and allowing me to do lots of amazing new things with my apps that I haven't yet - while still letting the user dictate behavior and usage.

HNLogInShit 13y ago
Like what? Background fetching is great. What else? For the end user, iOS 7 is a UI fiasco and a massive regression. Spindly, illegible text. A ridiculously degraded calendar, which no longer shows a concise list of a day's appointments but instead forces you to scroll through every hour of the day, hunting for whatever it is you have scheduled. "Transparency", a stupid UI idea that came and went a decade ago because it SUCKED. Why do I want to see the crap BEHIND the UI I'm trying to use? Oh, but I don't really see it; I see a mottled mess of a background, because it's "blurred." This of course renders text illegible in many cases, because the background may be any combination of colors. There are the tiny, undefined control areas. The invisible controls. The unresponsive controls. The camera icon on the lock screen is a great example of Apple's UI stupidity (which predates iOS 7). People are still trying to tap this thing, because Apple inexplicably doesn't put an ARROW above it to show you WTF you're supposed to do. Why? There's no excuse for it.

roin 13y ago

I remember when someone writing for TechCrunch published a takedown of the iOS 4 beta for ruining the iPhone experience with distracting features such as folders and wallpaper. The unlikely day that Apple takes the approach that "you don't fix what ain't broke" would be a sad sad day indeed.

bztzt 13y ago
I would still question the value of folders. It makes the homescreen customization experience more confusing and frustrating for everyone in exchange for functionality that's only really useful for a small % of enthusiasts.
- r00fus 13y ago
  Almost everyone I talked to uses folders - especially in iOS where you can dynamically create folders by drag/drop. The alternative if you have 3 dozen or more apps is pretty daunting. Where I do agree with you is that Springboard needs a major update - I want to see a grid of apps I've recently launched for example (the recents tray on double-tap home is way too small). Or ones that have updates/badges so I don't have to hunt over my 5-6 screens for updates. Perhaps the notifications enhancements (and the "today overview" a la Google Now) might alleviate this.

jliptzin 13y ago

Yes, I am a developer as well and have been using iOS 7 on my personal device for about a month now. I am only speaking about the UI - sorry I didn't make that clear. I prefer the previous UI. Easier to read and navigate and buttons/controls stand out more, which is important for a small touchscreen device. Control center is a small improvement, but iOS 7 UI is a step backwards for overall usability. That's just my opinion after 1 month of heavy use.