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There are numerous laws that enforce the no risk world on parents. These are things I did as a kid that are now illegal: Rode in the back of a pick up truck Ro

by NoPiece 13y ago

There are numerous laws that enforce the no risk world on parents. These are things I did as a kid that are now illegal: Rode in the back of a pick up truck Rode a bike without a helmet Sat in the front seat of a car before I was 8 years old. Swam in a pool that didn't have a fence around it Set off fireworks in the street in front of our house on July 4th Walked to and home from school alone (not illegal, but against the policy of our public school, and if we ignored it, I suspect we'd get a visit from child protective services).

tedks 13y ago
Almost none of those are good ideas. Walking alone is an exception; it's very easy for one momentary lapse to cause death or permanent damage in any of the others. One of mother's best friends died riding in the back of a pickup truck; car accidents are common, but all that happened in her case was that the road had a pothole, she fell, and happened to hit her head too hard and in the wrong spot. My girlfriend in college fell on her bike while she was going down a hill and passed over some gravel. Her helmet was destroyed. All she needed was stiches, but if she hadn't been wearing a helmet, she probably would have gotten a concussion. These are just anecdotes, but the point is that taking a small cost (riding safely in cars; wearing helmets on bikes) is far worth it, because the cost is small, and the benefit in the unlikely case is huge. It's not illegal where I live to not wear seatbelts in the backseat of a car, but I do anyway. I also use condoms when I have sex, and I wash my hands after going to the bathroom. There's a big difference between systematically overestimating small risks, and blithely allowing black swans to shit all over your life. I hope you never allow your child to do most of those things, and I hope you never do most of them yourself. The world isn't as scary as the TSA wants us to think, but it can still ruin your life in a heartbeat.
- nitrogen 13y ago
  Almost none of those are good ideas. You're right; riding in the back of a pickup truck is not a good idea. It's either a great idea and lots of fun for short distances on low-traffic roads at low speeds, or the only way to get work done because getting into and out of the cab takes too long. it's very easy for one momentary lapse to cause death or permanent damage in any of the others. As it is when swimming, hiking, driving, swallowing food, shaving, etc. Everything that's worth doing carries risk. One of mother's best friends died riding in the back of a pickup truck; car accidents are common, but all that happened in her case was that the road had a pothole, she fell, and happened to hit her head too hard and in the wrong spot. Just so I'm clear, I'm sorry to hear that. But that doesn't mean that nobody should ever do anything fun, ever, just that they should be mindful of the risks and take appropriate, measured, noninvasive precautions.
  - tedks 13y ago
    >As it is when swimming, hiking, driving, swallowing food, shaving, etc. Everything that's worth doing carries risk. I don't think I could die if anyone made a momentary lapse of judgment on hacker news; and yet here we both are.
    - emiliobumachar 13y ago
      I'm here too, but be aware that sedentarity is one of the greatest real threats to people nowadays (threadmill desks are still not widespread).
- NoPiece 13y ago
  The point isn't whether they are good ideas, but to illustrate that perception of risk really has changed. So much so that the anti-risk mentality has been codified. No kids wore helmets 30 years, now they have to by law. I'm just surprised that people would argue with the premise that people are more risk averse now. With that said, while almost always ride with a bike helmet, when I was in NYC this summer, I joyously rode the Citibikes around without a helmet. I would have been a less happy, less human person if I took your advice and didn't ride around NYC just because I didn't have a helmet.
  - tedks 13y ago
    >I'm just surprised that people would argue with the premise that people are more risk averse now. I'm very clearly not arguing with that, but there's a difference between the TSA existing and wearing bike helmets. I'm glad you didn't die while riding without a helmet, but I don't think there's any core part of the human experience that depends on eschewing small, cheap safety practices for massive risks.

by NoPiece 13y ago

tedks 13y ago

Almost none of those are good ideas. Walking alone is an exception; it's very easy for one momentary lapse to cause death or permanent damage in any of the others. One of mother's best friends died riding in the back of a pickup truck; car accidents are common, but all that happened in her case was that the road had a pothole, she fell, and happened to hit her head too hard and in the wrong spot. My girlfriend in college fell on her bike while she was going down a hill and passed over some gravel. Her helmet was destroyed. All she needed was stiches, but if she hadn't been wearing a helmet, she probably would have gotten a concussion. These are just anecdotes, but the point is that taking a small cost (riding safely in cars; wearing helmets on bikes) is far worth it, because the cost is small, and the benefit in the unlikely case is huge. It's not illegal where I live to not wear seatbelts in the backseat of a car, but I do anyway. I also use condoms when I have sex, and I wash my hands after going to the bathroom. There's a big difference between systematically overestimating small risks, and blithely allowing black swans to shit all over your life. I hope you never allow your child to do most of those things, and I hope you never do most of them yourself. The world isn't as scary as the TSA wants us to think, but it can still ruin your life in a heartbeat.

nitrogen 13y ago
Almost none of those are good ideas. You're right; riding in the back of a pickup truck is not a good idea. It's either a great idea and lots of fun for short distances on low-traffic roads at low speeds, or the only way to get work done because getting into and out of the cab takes too long. it's very easy for one momentary lapse to cause death or permanent damage in any of the others. As it is when swimming, hiking, driving, swallowing food, shaving, etc. Everything that's worth doing carries risk. One of mother's best friends died riding in the back of a pickup truck; car accidents are common, but all that happened in her case was that the road had a pothole, she fell, and happened to hit her head too hard and in the wrong spot. Just so I'm clear, I'm sorry to hear that. But that doesn't mean that nobody should ever do anything fun, ever, just that they should be mindful of the risks and take appropriate, measured, noninvasive precautions.
- tedks 13y ago
  >As it is when swimming, hiking, driving, swallowing food, shaving, etc. Everything that's worth doing carries risk. I don't think I could die if anyone made a momentary lapse of judgment on hacker news; and yet here we both are.
  - emiliobumachar 13y ago
    I'm here too, but be aware that sedentarity is one of the greatest real threats to people nowadays (threadmill desks are still not widespread).
NoPiece 13y ago
The point isn't whether they are good ideas, but to illustrate that perception of risk really has changed. So much so that the anti-risk mentality has been codified. No kids wore helmets 30 years, now they have to by law. I'm just surprised that people would argue with the premise that people are more risk averse now. With that said, while almost always ride with a bike helmet, when I was in NYC this summer, I joyously rode the Citibikes around without a helmet. I would have been a less happy, less human person if I took your advice and didn't ride around NYC just because I didn't have a helmet.
- tedks 13y ago
  >I'm just surprised that people would argue with the premise that people are more risk averse now. I'm very clearly not arguing with that, but there's a difference between the TSA existing and wearing bike helmets. I'm glad you didn't die while riding without a helmet, but I don't think there's any core part of the human experience that depends on eschewing small, cheap safety practices for massive risks.