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First, downvotes aren't for disagreement here. Comments are. Thus... Second, I disagree, and agree with the grandparent that that other place (or any other p

First, downvotes aren't for disagreement here. Comments are. Thus... Second, I disagree, and agree with the grandparent that that other place (or any other place, really) would make a perfect place for discussing all those things you list. Actionable articles about the business of software and technology to help build same. That's what we're here for. If you'd like more stuff to talk about, there's lots more internet out there. You're free to hang out at more than one place.

nsmartt 13y ago
> On-Topic:Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. This absolutely includes NSA/Snowden news and any other news relating the intersection between politics and technology.
mcphilip 13y ago
The main purpose of the downvote as I understand it is to punish responses (in the ranking algo sense) that don't add to the discussion. A snark one-two liner sitting on the top of the comment page is hardly a comment that's adding anything interesting to the discussion of Libre News
- petercooper 13y ago
  A snark one-two liner sitting on the top of the comment page is hardly a comment that's adding anything interesting As a wise man once said, and I paraphrase: So basically anything upvoted by this community is considered on topic since enough people deemed it worthwhile.
jccc 13y ago
Actionable articles about the business of software and technology to help build same. That's what we're here for. Really? http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." The guidelines do also say, "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics [etc.]," but then qualify, "unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." It might be that HN has reached a point at which there ought to be a split with accompanying comment police to enforce it, but it seems presumptuous to assume that the decision has already been made in alignment with your particular preferences.
gruseom 13y ago
Downvotes aren't for disagreement here. Comments are That's not true. PG has said the opposite many times. Commenting is for when one has something to say.
tedks 13y ago
It's beyond hilarious that blog posts about app developers doing annoying things to make money are totally welcome on HN, and typically spark comments rabble-rousing towards the goal of making a "Developer's Professional Ethics Code." It's hilarious because in every thread about every piece of surveillance infrastructure that ratchets the United States irreversibly towards totalitarianism, there are complaints that this is political and inappropriate for Hacker News. You want a tech startup hook on every Snowden leak? 1984-tech is probably a great field for entreperneurial minded hackers. Too many people are stuck disrupting laundry and taxicabs! Think big, and disrupt democracy. Change the way people cling to power. All of the surveillance state's gear is software, written by developers. Just think: you could be one of those developers! Get your piece of the pie, and talk about it on HN. There's a whole world of posts there: - Best ways to monitor mobile use patterns while minimizing app footprint? - What database should I store the entire world's email in? - Ask HN: I'm a founder of a spying SaaS platform -- how can I launder "black money" from intelligence agencies? - Ask HN: What Saudi telecos are hiring hackers to help them spy on their people? Just remember to pitch a fit every time the mobile equivalent of a popup ad gets blogged about. Because those developers are giving us all a bad name, damn it.
- zarify 13y ago
  The worst part is I think most of the privacy destroying tech stuff makes for some fascinating problems (as the comments around speculation on the NSA tapping fibre a while back demonstrated). People just can't help looking at problems like that even when the consequences just aren't good from a civil liberties perspective. I think that's what makes it great HN material. (Also I wish I could upvote this more for "disrupt democracy" :)

nsmartt 13y ago

> On-Topic:Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. This absolutely includes NSA/Snowden news and any other news relating the intersection between politics and technology.

mcphilip 13y ago

The main purpose of the downvote as I understand it is to punish responses (in the ranking algo sense) that don't add to the discussion. A snark one-two liner sitting on the top of the comment page is hardly a comment that's adding anything interesting to the discussion of Libre News

petercooper 13y ago
A snark one-two liner sitting on the top of the comment page is hardly a comment that's adding anything interesting As a wise man once said, and I paraphrase: So basically anything upvoted by this community is considered on topic since enough people deemed it worthwhile.

jccc 13y ago

Actionable articles about the business of software and technology to help build same. That's what we're here for. Really? http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." The guidelines do also say, "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics [etc.]," but then qualify, "unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." It might be that HN has reached a point at which there ought to be a split with accompanying comment police to enforce it, but it seems presumptuous to assume that the decision has already been made in alignment with your particular preferences.

gruseom 13y ago

Downvotes aren't for disagreement here. Comments are That's not true. PG has said the opposite many times. Commenting is for when one has something to say.

tedks 13y ago

It's beyond hilarious that blog posts about app developers doing annoying things to make money are totally welcome on HN, and typically spark comments rabble-rousing towards the goal of making a "Developer's Professional Ethics Code." It's hilarious because in every thread about every piece of surveillance infrastructure that ratchets the United States irreversibly towards totalitarianism, there are complaints that this is political and inappropriate for Hacker News. You want a tech startup hook on every Snowden leak? 1984-tech is probably a great field for entreperneurial minded hackers. Too many people are stuck disrupting laundry and taxicabs! Think big, and disrupt democracy. Change the way people cling to power. All of the surveillance state's gear is software, written by developers. Just think: you could be one of those developers! Get your piece of the pie, and talk about it on HN. There's a whole world of posts there: - Best ways to monitor mobile use patterns while minimizing app footprint? - What database should I store the entire world's email in? - Ask HN: I'm a founder of a spying SaaS platform -- how can I launder "black money" from intelligence agencies? - Ask HN: What Saudi telecos are hiring hackers to help them spy on their people? Just remember to pitch a fit every time the mobile equivalent of a popup ad gets blogged about. Because those developers are giving us all a bad name, damn it.

zarify 13y ago
The worst part is I think most of the privacy destroying tech stuff makes for some fascinating problems (as the comments around speculation on the NSA tapping fibre a while back demonstrated). People just can't help looking at problems like that even when the consequences just aren't good from a civil liberties perspective. I think that's what makes it great HN material. (Also I wish I could upvote this more for "disrupt democracy" :)