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I'm sure you'll agree with Stonebraker's recent (actually, not so recent) claims that the relational model is "all wrong": http://blog.jooq.org/2013/08/24/mit-

I'm sure you'll agree with Stonebraker's recent (actually, not so recent) claims that the relational model is "all wrong": http://blog.jooq.org/2013/08/24/mit-prof-michael-stonebraker-the-traditional-rdbms-wisdom-is-all-wrong/ http://blog.jooq.org/2013/08/24/mit-prof-michael-stonebraker... htsql seems very interesting. I should soon blog about your product and critique. Have you been publishing elsewhere?

bcoates 13y ago
That's not complaining about the relational model at all, he's complaining about implementation details of common RDBMSes being obsolete, as they're based on row-oriented storage, slow disks, small memory, and limited concurrency. Things like Amazon Redshift are still relational but make radically different decisions on most of those points. Edit: that talk is well worth reading, btw. I wonder why he completely ignores flash though?
GFischer 13y ago
Thanks for linking to that talk, it deserves a submission all of its own.
- pkj 13y ago
  Absolutely. Very interesting talk. Definitely deserves a submission. BTW, the person asking the last couple of questions is Ed Bugnion, one of the co-founders of VMWare. He is a faculty now at EPFL.
  - lukaseder 13y ago
    Interesting, I didn't know that!
- lukaseder 13y ago
  I actually submitted it, but it didn't get too much traction...
MichaelGG 13y ago
Actually the title is "The Traditional RDBMS Wisdom is All Wrong". He's arguing against multithreaded systems in favour of a partitioned OLTP platform like H-Store (VoltDB). I didn't see anything about the relational model being "all wrong". It works well for lots of scenarios, and turning it into a KV store is also straightforward. As far as SQL, I think people agree it's not the best query language. QUEL may have won, but Stonebraker says[1]: "The only reason SQL won in the marketplace was because IBM released DB2 in 1984 without changing the System R query language." 1: http://iggyfernandez.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/nocoug-journal-interview-professor-stonebraker/ http://iggyfernandez.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/nocoug-journal...

bcoates 13y ago

That's not complaining about the relational model at all, he's complaining about implementation details of common RDBMSes being obsolete, as they're based on row-oriented storage, slow disks, small memory, and limited concurrency. Things like Amazon Redshift are still relational but make radically different decisions on most of those points. Edit: that talk is well worth reading, btw. I wonder why he completely ignores flash though?

GFischer 13y ago

Thanks for linking to that talk, it deserves a submission all of its own.

pkj 13y ago
Absolutely. Very interesting talk. Definitely deserves a submission. BTW, the person asking the last couple of questions is Ed Bugnion, one of the co-founders of VMWare. He is a faculty now at EPFL.
- lukaseder 13y ago
  Interesting, I didn't know that!
lukaseder 13y ago
I actually submitted it, but it didn't get too much traction...

MichaelGG 13y ago

Actually the title is "The Traditional RDBMS Wisdom is All Wrong". He's arguing against multithreaded systems in favour of a partitioned OLTP platform like H-Store (VoltDB). I didn't see anything about the relational model being "all wrong". It works well for lots of scenarios, and turning it into a KV store is also straightforward. As far as SQL, I think people agree it's not the best query language. QUEL may have won, but Stonebraker says[1]: "The only reason SQL won in the marketplace was because IBM released DB2 in 1984 without changing the System R query language." 1: http://iggyfernandez.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/nocoug-journal-interview-professor-stonebraker/ http://iggyfernandez.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/nocoug-journal...