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So, because I disagree with your point of view I am 'brainwashed'? Should I continue on the same path and attack you, personally, for the 'obvious' mistake of t

So, because I disagree with your point of view I am 'brainwashed'? Should I continue on the same path and attack you, personally, for the 'obvious' mistake of thinking that way? In my world parents can teach their children everything - on top of the regulated, quality-controlled standard education. Why? Because otherwise you cannot control that a child receives decent education. And no, brainwashing (to use your term here) your own child or deciding that math and biology are not relevant, but let's do just sports instead, is not a human right. Education is. Home schooling offers little benefits and leads to huge problems (regulation, quality control are my biggest issues with it). > It's not for all parents of course Oh? Really? So .. we should decide on a case by case basis? Maybe ask for a 'driving license' to teach your kids? I think we have a degree in Germany that involves something similar... > Homeschooling works much better No. And quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn about the US here. Show me the sources and I'll probably find out that most of the 'home-schooled' were privileged rich kids where people bought their way out of the 'normal' way. And probably all the nutjobs (again, you have a couple of interesting religious groups in the US that like your concept as well) are excluded from the study. But hey, surprise me and find me a relevant study? > Of course it is restricting Oh man.. The US way again. Freedom > everything else, right? Without starting to point out that you don't live in a free country according to _my_ definition: We don't even agree on the priority of things here. Germany has no free speech as you know it. And I want that to remain the way it is. My (liberal, pirate party voting) peers largely agree. This isn't 'brainwashed' or stupid, that's a difference in culture, a model of values that doesn't match your own. And let me close with a stab of my own: If this is the way you like to lead an argument, I doubt that you're able to school a kid. "Those Germans? Brainwashed. They do atrocious things, show naked skin on TV, supress free speech and take kids away. In the night. Before they eat them"

ars 13y ago
> So, because I disagree with your point of view I am 'brainwashed'? No, it's because you disagree for patently stupid and obviously wrong reasons, and you don't even see it. > Because otherwise you cannot control that a child receives decent education. Sure you can. You give quarterly tests. And not on a case by case, automatically - no permission or application needed, but your kids need to pass the test. > Oh? Really? So .. we should decide on a case by case basis? Maybe ask for a 'driving license' to teach your kids? Nope. You ask the parents themself. There are a minority who are nuts, but 99.9% of people are perfectly able to decide if they can teach their kids the needed subjects. The testing will help find the obviously unqualified and the rest run their own life, just like people have been doing for thousands of years. Do you trust the parents to educate their kids about morals and behavior? Or are you going to have the state do that too? Actually, why not have professionals raise the kids in group homes and forget the parents completely? > Show me the sources and I'll probably find out that most of the 'home-schooled' were privileged rich kids where people bought their way out of the 'normal' way. Your brainwashing is showing again. You are simply wrong. Go lookup your own sources, nothing else will convince you.
- darklajid 13y ago
  Thank you for amusing me to no end. > Actually, why not have professionals raise the kids in group homes and forget the parents completely? Funnily enough, that is vaguely similar to what was offered in East Germany and the general trend here is to actually provide general daycare for your child, so that the mother (if we're talking classic roles) can take up a job again. It's even a big part for the upcoming elections here. I'm not a fan of that myself, but I cackle with glee thinking about the fits that this discussion ("Hey, why don't you give us the child and go to work during the day") might throw you in. Bottom line: Your values are not compatible with mine. They are not relevant for my decisions. I doubt they are relevant for Sweden either. Stop trying to believe you are morally superior in any way.

ars 13y ago

> So, because I disagree with your point of view I am 'brainwashed'? No, it's because you disagree for patently stupid and obviously wrong reasons, and you don't even see it. > Because otherwise you cannot control that a child receives decent education. Sure you can. You give quarterly tests. And not on a case by case, automatically - no permission or application needed, but your kids need to pass the test. > Oh? Really? So .. we should decide on a case by case basis? Maybe ask for a 'driving license' to teach your kids? Nope. You ask the parents themself. There are a minority who are nuts, but 99.9% of people are perfectly able to decide if they can teach their kids the needed subjects. The testing will help find the obviously unqualified and the rest run their own life, just like people have been doing for thousands of years. Do you trust the parents to educate their kids about morals and behavior? Or are you going to have the state do that too? Actually, why not have professionals raise the kids in group homes and forget the parents completely? > Show me the sources and I'll probably find out that most of the 'home-schooled' were privileged rich kids where people bought their way out of the 'normal' way. Your brainwashing is showing again. You are simply wrong. Go lookup your own sources, nothing else will convince you.

darklajid 13y ago
Thank you for amusing me to no end. > Actually, why not have professionals raise the kids in group homes and forget the parents completely? Funnily enough, that is vaguely similar to what was offered in East Germany and the general trend here is to actually provide general daycare for your child, so that the mother (if we're talking classic roles) can take up a job again. It's even a big part for the upcoming elections here. I'm not a fan of that myself, but I cackle with glee thinking about the fits that this discussion ("Hey, why don't you give us the child and go to work during the day") might throw you in. Bottom line: Your values are not compatible with mine. They are not relevant for my decisions. I doubt they are relevant for Sweden either. Stop trying to believe you are morally superior in any way.