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> Most countries wouldn't even dream of spying on other countries Contradictory to all known history. They all dream of it. Some of those are even full out wet

> Most countries wouldn't even dream of spying on other countries Contradictory to all known history. They all dream of it. Some of those are even full out wet dreams. > Somebody really believes that, say, Belize spies on Germany? Or Nigeria spies on the UK? Infantile, small, and poor countries don't have the knowhow and resources to effectively spy on other more-advanced nations. That's the only reason they "don't",... because they "can't". It's not a moral stand. > A lot of small countries not only do not spy, but they voluntary let other large countries spy on them and handle over their citizens data. Don't worry, they either get paid, or get some benefit from that arrangement. > One could imagine people saying the same thing to blacks fighting for civil rights: "Well, of course you don't count as much as whites in this country, duh, welcome to the grown up world". Nice analogy, that's broken in every way. I'm also not going to fall for the trap of paralleling this to a race issue. Nations fight for self-interests first and foremost, not for the interests of other nations, big or small.

coldtea 13y ago
>Contradictory to all known history. They all dream of it. Some of those are even full out wet dreams. No, they really are not. In fact in the last 2-3 centuries of known history, most countries, not only wouldn't spy on large powers, but were under their direct command, as colonies. >Infantile, small, and poor countries don't have the knowhow and resources to effectively spy on other more-advanced nations. That's the only reason they "don't",... because they "can't". It's not a moral stand. Well, that's what I said too. Although I disagree on the latter part: not spying, even if is because you can't, gives you a moral high ground. >>A lot of small countries not only do not spy, but they voluntary let other large countries spy on them and handle over their citizens data. >Don't worry, they either get paid, or get some benefit from that arrangement. The lackeys in government yes. The countries (as in, the general public, no). They are royally fucked over from that arrangements (see: banana republic). >Nations fight for self-interests first and foremost, not for the interests of other nations, big or small. There are ways to go about your self-interests as a nation that makes you a jack-ass and there are ways that are better. Nazi germany went after their self-interests too.

coldtea 13y ago

>Contradictory to all known history. They all dream of it. Some of those are even full out wet dreams. No, they really are not. In fact in the last 2-3 centuries of known history, most countries, not only wouldn't spy on large powers, but were under their direct command, as colonies. >Infantile, small, and poor countries don't have the knowhow and resources to effectively spy on other more-advanced nations. That's the only reason they "don't",... because they "can't". It's not a moral stand. Well, that's what I said too. Although I disagree on the latter part: not spying, even if is because you can't, gives you a moral high ground. >>A lot of small countries not only do not spy, but they voluntary let other large countries spy on them and handle over their citizens data. >Don't worry, they either get paid, or get some benefit from that arrangement. The lackeys in government yes. The countries (as in, the general public, no). They are royally fucked over from that arrangements (see: banana republic). >Nations fight for self-interests first and foremost, not for the interests of other nations, big or small. There are ways to go about your self-interests as a nation that makes you a jack-ass and there are ways that are better. Nazi germany went after their self-interests too.