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I don't think you get it. Btw, I am Brazilian. First let's state the obvious: Brazilians spy on Brazilians. Clandestine telephone wiretaps are a regular thing

I don't think you get it. Btw, I am Brazilian. First let's state the obvious: Brazilians spy on Brazilians. Clandestine telephone wiretaps are a regular thing in this country; the Brazilian secrete service (ABIN) and even private detectives do it a lot. But, still, there are 3 implications in this story: 1) Every company in this country with secrets to hide (a.k.a every company) will now develop an allergic reaction to the words "cloud computing". 2) Every Brazilian IT company that has potential American competition now has the perfect argument for protectionism. 3) Expect a lot more laws regarding "internet regulation". Politicians here are eager for any excuse for doing it.

powertower 13y ago
We get it. Edward Snowden is attempting to hurt American interests, rather than expose some horrible crime against the US people. While the self-promoting hacks he picked as journalists continue to do what they do best, fabricate stories that don't really exists once you put the facts on the table and use the proper context. That's the only way I can understand what he is doing right now, unless he really thinks the truth must come out purely for the sake of the truth, and secrets cannot exist. In which case he is extremely immature and doesn't understand the way the world operates. In the mean time, he will continue to cause problems for the US. While the rest of the world uses these leaks for their own benefits. It will keep him relevant.
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bane 13y ago
Are you saying that the fact the NSA spies on every country on the planet hitting CBS news changes anything? The NSA isn't exactly the March of Dimes. It's a spy agency tasked with spying. Everybody knows the NSA spies on everybody, anybody who doesn't or expects otherwise is hopelessly naive. Is it nice? No, not really. And in a better world the NSA wouldn't exist. But it's not a better world and thus the NSA exists. This stuff will continue to make the news for a while, people will feign shock at their own ignorance then it will fade away. I see lots of comments here about how the NSA's recruitment image is now tarnished, is it? Does anybody ever try and get work at the NSA with the expectation that they won't be part of a giant spy apparatus? What exactly do people think crypto experts do? Sure Brazilians might have some short term reaction, but long term it won't amount to a hill of beans.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Are you saying that the fact the NSA spies on every country on the planet hitting CBS news changes anything? Of course it does. Public disclosure changes things. Even things that everybody "just knew" went on, act differently on public discussion when they take front scene. >Everybody knows the NSA spies on everybody, anybody who doesn't or expects otherwise is hopelessly naive. Well, tell it to the "hopelessly naive" people on HN that for years maintained otherwise.
  - bane 13y ago
    > Public disclosure changes things. We'll see. I hope you're right, but what exactly should it change? The NSA is a spy agency after all. There's lots of people here who think that the NSA should knock nicely and ask politely if they can bug your phone...and that you should be able to get a complete log of what they listen to as if the NSA was just some kind of national phone conversation backup service bureau. I see lots of sabre rattling in Congress, people on the Intelligence Committee who are shocked shocked that their "oversight" has been revealed to be insufficient and other members of Congress who are equally shocked that you need gasp a security clearance to see classified stuff. But I don't really see anything particularly material happening. The material things that are happening is that the NSA is making it even harder for a future Snowden-alike to do the same.
- teamgb 13y ago
  Just because something is supposedly legal in one country, doesn't make it legal in the rest of the world. What if the Saudi Religious Police mounted operations around the world - beating women for wearing mini-skirts or chopping heads off men for being gay? Would you be okay with that because it's legal in Saudi Arabia? Would you just shrug your shoulders and move on?
  - bane 13y ago
    What are you saying, that spying should only be done with the legal consent of the other government? I don't think you understand what "spying" means.

powertower 13y ago

We get it. Edward Snowden is attempting to hurt American interests, rather than expose some horrible crime against the US people. While the self-promoting hacks he picked as journalists continue to do what they do best, fabricate stories that don't really exists once you put the facts on the table and use the proper context. That's the only way I can understand what he is doing right now, unless he really thinks the truth must come out purely for the sake of the truth, and secrets cannot exist. In which case he is extremely immature and doesn't understand the way the world operates. In the mean time, he will continue to cause problems for the US. While the rest of the world uses these leaks for their own benefits. It will keep him relevant.

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bane 13y ago

Are you saying that the fact the NSA spies on every country on the planet hitting CBS news changes anything? The NSA isn't exactly the March of Dimes. It's a spy agency tasked with spying. Everybody knows the NSA spies on everybody, anybody who doesn't or expects otherwise is hopelessly naive. Is it nice? No, not really. And in a better world the NSA wouldn't exist. But it's not a better world and thus the NSA exists. This stuff will continue to make the news for a while, people will feign shock at their own ignorance then it will fade away. I see lots of comments here about how the NSA's recruitment image is now tarnished, is it? Does anybody ever try and get work at the NSA with the expectation that they won't be part of a giant spy apparatus? What exactly do people think crypto experts do? Sure Brazilians might have some short term reaction, but long term it won't amount to a hill of beans.

coldtea 13y ago
>Are you saying that the fact the NSA spies on every country on the planet hitting CBS news changes anything? Of course it does. Public disclosure changes things. Even things that everybody "just knew" went on, act differently on public discussion when they take front scene. >Everybody knows the NSA spies on everybody, anybody who doesn't or expects otherwise is hopelessly naive. Well, tell it to the "hopelessly naive" people on HN that for years maintained otherwise.
- bane 13y ago
  > Public disclosure changes things. We'll see. I hope you're right, but what exactly should it change? The NSA is a spy agency after all. There's lots of people here who think that the NSA should knock nicely and ask politely if they can bug your phone...and that you should be able to get a complete log of what they listen to as if the NSA was just some kind of national phone conversation backup service bureau. I see lots of sabre rattling in Congress, people on the Intelligence Committee who are shocked shocked that their "oversight" has been revealed to be insufficient and other members of Congress who are equally shocked that you need gasp a security clearance to see classified stuff. But I don't really see anything particularly material happening. The material things that are happening is that the NSA is making it even harder for a future Snowden-alike to do the same.
teamgb 13y ago
Just because something is supposedly legal in one country, doesn't make it legal in the rest of the world. What if the Saudi Religious Police mounted operations around the world - beating women for wearing mini-skirts or chopping heads off men for being gay? Would you be okay with that because it's legal in Saudi Arabia? Would you just shrug your shoulders and move on?
- bane 13y ago
  What are you saying, that spying should only be done with the legal consent of the other government? I don't think you understand what "spying" means.