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I don't want to agree that all political systems are doomed to not work. But I agree that it applies to all the currently known systems. There is no proof yet t

I don't want to agree that all political systems are doomed to not work. But I agree that it applies to all the currently known systems. There is no proof yet that stable system is not possible. All the current systems has one property in common - a build-in reliance on someone within the system to be honest and nice to others. Would it be honest ruler, honest politician or judge or honest voter. The difference between the systems is that they have different degrees of reliance on honesty and that reliance put in different layers. If there were a proof that it is possible in certain conditions to shift the reliance of honesty away from people to say P != NP, that would make the system bullet-proof. I would call it a pure system. That would also mean that there is more than one pure system possible, in fact infinite amount. We can already see that things like currency can be made and sustained without governance, I want to believe same will one day be possible with government itself.

ThomPete 13y ago
It's not that all political systems are doomed not to work. They will work, just for various durations until they are replaced by another system that solves the problems that the previous one couldn't, which then itself has it's expiry date.
- cLeEOGPw 13y ago
  I assume you meant "doomed not to work"? They "work" in the same way prisoners dilemma works, and the expiration date is until the moment one of the prisoners do not cooperate. This is what you describe as "problem" - and the another prisoners dilemma is created (another political system), which solves previous "problem" - makes it that "prisoners" have to work in different way, and the expiration date is until they figure out how to game the system. My idea is that there is no proof yet that it is impossible to create such system that to an arbitrary small probability you could be sure you are not being gamed, and that is what i referred to "pure system", or may be called zero-trust system as well. It may be that it is unknowable whether such system could exist or not, in that case the search for it might be eternal.

ThomPete 13y ago

It's not that all political systems are doomed not to work. They will work, just for various durations until they are replaced by another system that solves the problems that the previous one couldn't, which then itself has it's expiry date.

cLeEOGPw 13y ago
I assume you meant "doomed not to work"? They "work" in the same way prisoners dilemma works, and the expiration date is until the moment one of the prisoners do not cooperate. This is what you describe as "problem" - and the another prisoners dilemma is created (another political system), which solves previous "problem" - makes it that "prisoners" have to work in different way, and the expiration date is until they figure out how to game the system. My idea is that there is no proof yet that it is impossible to create such system that to an arbitrary small probability you could be sure you are not being gamed, and that is what i referred to "pure system", or may be called zero-trust system as well. It may be that it is unknowable whether such system could exist or not, in that case the search for it might be eternal.