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> Which, yes, includes being unable to believe that women might be undercover cops, might be notorious gangsters, might be bank robbers. Really, are there many

by geoka9 13y ago

> Which, yes, includes being unable to believe that women might be undercover cops, might be notorious gangsters, might be bank robbers. Really, are there many prototypes in real life? I suspect there may be enough to inspire a handful of movies, but after that it will become obvious that it's a niche film.

saraid216 13y ago
Why do you need prototypes? Do you personally know any undercover cops, notorious gangsters, or bank robbers? Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them?
- geoka9 13y ago
  Most of the crime movies I like are based on real events. As many of those movies also tend to become classics, I think my preference is not that peculiar. Do you really suggest that authors should be obliged to cast at least 50% of roles as females even when it does not reflect the reality being portrayed? Why? Just to make a case for feminism? Don't you think it would hurting the equality cause in the first place?
  - saraid216 13y ago
    > Most of the crime movies I like are based on real events. Tell you what. Provide some examples so that I can actually work through one and explain how it could have been adequately feminist without detracting from your entertainment. It would be helpful if it has a Wikipedia article detailing the original real life inspiration, since I don't know anything about this subject. > Do you really suggest that authors should be obliged to cast at least 50% of roles as females even when it does not reflect the reality being portrayed? Nope. As long as any females present in the movie are portrayed with equal realism, it's fine. This is virtually never the case. I recently read a 2009 feminist critique of The Wire which noted that despite Snoop and Kima, females were depicted fairly poorly overall. I love The Wire. But they were right. One of the biggest hurdles with feminism in entertainment is that the problem isn't with particular movies. It's that the crushingly overwhelming majority of the movies are sexist. So you find that no one is willing to be the first person to decide to not be sexist, because you're breaking the mold. It wouldn't be terrible if only, say, 20% of movies were sexist. But the percentage is closer to 90, 95. Just like video games are only for boys, so of course they're all male fantasies. Or comic books are only for boys, so of course they're all male fantasies.
  - saraid216 13y ago
    Incidentally, I'd really like you to read this in case you haven't: http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-of-problematic-things/ http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-o...
- geoka9 13y ago
  > Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them? Here's an example: a movie about the Irish mob in Boston. Is there something particularly Irish about being an Irish mobster in Boston that these roles are required to be depicted as Irish? Or should the authors be obliged to include black, Asian and Latino actors (and actresses) to play them?
- theorique 13y ago
  Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them? A tendency toward extreme risk-taking and propensity for violence both comes to mind as traits that are more common among men and more common among these roles.

by geoka9 13y ago

saraid216 13y ago

Why do you need prototypes? Do you personally know any undercover cops, notorious gangsters, or bank robbers? Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them?

geoka9 13y ago
Most of the crime movies I like are based on real events. As many of those movies also tend to become classics, I think my preference is not that peculiar. Do you really suggest that authors should be obliged to cast at least 50% of roles as females even when it does not reflect the reality being portrayed? Why? Just to make a case for feminism? Don't you think it would hurting the equality cause in the first place?
- saraid216 13y ago
  > Most of the crime movies I like are based on real events. Tell you what. Provide some examples so that I can actually work through one and explain how it could have been adequately feminist without detracting from your entertainment. It would be helpful if it has a Wikipedia article detailing the original real life inspiration, since I don't know anything about this subject. > Do you really suggest that authors should be obliged to cast at least 50% of roles as females even when it does not reflect the reality being portrayed? Nope. As long as any females present in the movie are portrayed with equal realism, it's fine. This is virtually never the case. I recently read a 2009 feminist critique of The Wire which noted that despite Snoop and Kima, females were depicted fairly poorly overall. I love The Wire. But they were right. One of the biggest hurdles with feminism in entertainment is that the problem isn't with particular movies. It's that the crushingly overwhelming majority of the movies are sexist. So you find that no one is willing to be the first person to decide to not be sexist, because you're breaking the mold. It wouldn't be terrible if only, say, 20% of movies were sexist. But the percentage is closer to 90, 95. Just like video games are only for boys, so of course they're all male fantasies. Or comic books are only for boys, so of course they're all male fantasies.
- saraid216 13y ago
  Incidentally, I'd really like you to read this in case you haven't: http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-of-problematic-things/ http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-o...
geoka9 13y ago
> Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them? Here's an example: a movie about the Irish mob in Boston. Is there something particularly Irish about being an Irish mobster in Boston that these roles are required to be depicted as Irish? Or should the authors be obliged to include black, Asian and Latino actors (and actresses) to play them?
theorique 13y ago
Is there something particularly gendered about these roles that requires a man to play them? A tendency toward extreme risk-taking and propensity for violence both comes to mind as traits that are more common among men and more common among these roles.