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I have always thought that a lot of so called strong female characters in TV and movies are essentially, to a greater and lesser degree, a male submissive fanta

by alan_cx 13y ago

I have always thought that a lot of so called strong female characters in TV and movies are essentially, to a greater and lesser degree, a male submissive fantasy, and nothing to do with feminism or equal status. The trick to getting it right might well be to just let decent female writers write female characters. Heh, at least then if we still get the same, it their fault!!!!

kiba 13y ago
There was one anime that I watch that was an adaptation of a low-fantasy medieval novel written by a female author. The protagonist and her love interest were in a role reversal. She was the warrior, and the male was the doctor/caretaker. However, the rest of the setting follows traditional gender roles, although nobody seems to think it's particularly strange that the protagonist was a female warrior.
lostlogin 13y ago
>it's their fault! Females can be their own worst enemies. My wife was recently asked at a job interview when she planned on having children. This is against the law here in New Zealand. The person who asked was female and the males in the room visibly squirmed as it was asked.
- rustynails 13y ago
  No offense, the men were thinking it. If the project had a hard deadline in a few years, any respective employer would think through this option. Failure to do so (under certain circumstances) could cost you dearly. This is despite "what the law allows you to say".
  - saraid216 13y ago
    I like how you immediately made up a bunch of circumstances to justify it.
  - lostlogin 13y ago
    It was an entry level teaching job and 2 of the people at the interview apologised after the interview. Call is arse covering maybe, but my wife believed that the others in the room were angry at the question being asked. It was 100% the situation that was being thought of when the law was written. She would have written to the human rights commission about the situation if it wouldn't have immediately tarred her as a trouble maker early in her career. And so the situation is allowed to continue.
saraid216 13y ago
> The trick to getting it right might well be to just let decent female writers write female characters. I realize you say "decent", but well... Twilight. > Heh, at least then if we still get the same, it their fault!!!! Not really. One of the points that feminist theory makes is that patriarchy is internalized. This is a difficult ground, because it risks becoming paternalistic, but there is non-gendered evidence of the same effect: Stockholm syndrome, for instance, especially in cases of domestic abuse. The problem isn't that women aren't getting what they want; the problem is that women are seen as wanting qualitatively different things. This is true to some extent, but we've exaggerated and stereotyped the differences so much that we forget there's a gigantic overlap between "what women want" and "what men want".

by alan_cx 13y ago

kiba 13y ago

There was one anime that I watch that was an adaptation of a low-fantasy medieval novel written by a female author. The protagonist and her love interest were in a role reversal. She was the warrior, and the male was the doctor/caretaker. However, the rest of the setting follows traditional gender roles, although nobody seems to think it's particularly strange that the protagonist was a female warrior.

lostlogin 13y ago

>it's their fault! Females can be their own worst enemies. My wife was recently asked at a job interview when she planned on having children. This is against the law here in New Zealand. The person who asked was female and the males in the room visibly squirmed as it was asked.

rustynails 13y ago
No offense, the men were thinking it. If the project had a hard deadline in a few years, any respective employer would think through this option. Failure to do so (under certain circumstances) could cost you dearly. This is despite "what the law allows you to say".
- saraid216 13y ago
  I like how you immediately made up a bunch of circumstances to justify it.
- lostlogin 13y ago
  It was an entry level teaching job and 2 of the people at the interview apologised after the interview. Call is arse covering maybe, but my wife believed that the others in the room were angry at the question being asked. It was 100% the situation that was being thought of when the law was written. She would have written to the human rights commission about the situation if it wouldn't have immediately tarred her as a trouble maker early in her career. And so the situation is allowed to continue.

saraid216 13y ago

> The trick to getting it right might well be to just let decent female writers write female characters. I realize you say "decent", but well... Twilight. > Heh, at least then if we still get the same, it their fault!!!! Not really. One of the points that feminist theory makes is that patriarchy is internalized. This is a difficult ground, because it risks becoming paternalistic, but there is non-gendered evidence of the same effect: Stockholm syndrome, for instance, especially in cases of domestic abuse. The problem isn't that women aren't getting what they want; the problem is that women are seen as wanting qualitatively different things. This is true to some extent, but we've exaggerated and stereotyped the differences so much that we forget there's a gigantic overlap between "what women want" and "what men want".