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Huh? What stops anybody from registering a company at the Handelsregister and start working? Who needs a certificate and a proof of experience? Or do you mean

Huh? What stops anybody from registering a company at the Handelsregister and start working? Who needs a certificate and a proof of experience? Or do you mean society enforces it?

junto 13y ago
Depends on what kind of company GmbH costs about 25,000 EUR to setup. You don't get that money back.
- patrickg 13y ago
  1) You can run UG which starts at 1 EUR (+ 100-200 Euro for bureaucracy). 2) It is your money to spend. You never give it to anybody else. So "you don't get that money back" is completely incorrect.
  - kybernetyk 13y ago
    The UG is a step in the right direction. Though they half assed it a little. You get a gmbh-lite but have to put up with the full administrative burden. That and the name suffix: "<my company> UG (haftunsgbeschraenkt)". Internationally no one knows what a UG is. Doesn't really matter for a local bakery but if you're running an international software business it becomes at least a little important. > 2) It is your money to spend. Actually it's your company's money to spend. So "you don't get it back" is partially correct ;)
UK-AL 13y ago
Both. In certain trades, you can only start on your own if you get to a to certain level of certification.
- patrickg 13y ago
  But in most trades you can just start.
kybernetyk 13y ago
> Huh? What stops anybody from registering a company at the Handelsregister and start working? Maybe not really applicable for us tech nerds but the "Meisterzwang" is a real obstacle for many people. But aside from that arcane institution there's not really anything forbidding you to start a company. The problem I have with Germany is the time and bureaucratic burden it takes to get a Gmbh up and running. You're looking at a procedure that takes multiple months and visits at a notary office for the paperwork. Compare that to the UK where all you have to do is log into a website and fill out a form to have your Ltd up and running.
- cmarschner 13y ago
  Meisterzwang is pure quality assurance. And if you think how well known Germany is for quality products it makes total sense. And I would argue if there was a Meisterzwang for people concerned with egovernment we wouldn't have this discussion. Besides the Meisterzwang was abolished for many professions in 2004. See Wikipedia.

Huh? What stops anybody from registering a company at the Handelsregister and start working? Who needs a certificate and a proof of experience? Or do you mean society enforces it?

junto 13y ago

Depends on what kind of company GmbH costs about 25,000 EUR to setup. You don't get that money back.

patrickg 13y ago
1) You can run UG which starts at 1 EUR (+ 100-200 Euro for bureaucracy). 2) It is your money to spend. You never give it to anybody else. So "you don't get that money back" is completely incorrect.
- kybernetyk 13y ago
  The UG is a step in the right direction. Though they half assed it a little. You get a gmbh-lite but have to put up with the full administrative burden. That and the name suffix: "<my company> UG (haftunsgbeschraenkt)". Internationally no one knows what a UG is. Doesn't really matter for a local bakery but if you're running an international software business it becomes at least a little important. > 2) It is your money to spend. Actually it's your company's money to spend. So "you don't get it back" is partially correct ;)

UK-AL 13y ago

Both. In certain trades, you can only start on your own if you get to a to certain level of certification.

patrickg 13y ago
But in most trades you can just start.

kybernetyk 13y ago

> Huh? What stops anybody from registering a company at the Handelsregister and start working? Maybe not really applicable for us tech nerds but the "Meisterzwang" is a real obstacle for many people. But aside from that arcane institution there's not really anything forbidding you to start a company. The problem I have with Germany is the time and bureaucratic burden it takes to get a Gmbh up and running. You're looking at a procedure that takes multiple months and visits at a notary office for the paperwork. Compare that to the UK where all you have to do is log into a website and fill out a form to have your Ltd up and running.

cmarschner 13y ago
Meisterzwang is pure quality assurance. And if you think how well known Germany is for quality products it makes total sense. And I would argue if there was a Meisterzwang for people concerned with egovernment we wouldn't have this discussion. Besides the Meisterzwang was abolished for many professions in 2004. See Wikipedia.