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I was excited to use this to enhance language learning dialogs, but their licensing is very strict and the software doesn't give you access to the final video f

by snoonan 13y ago

I was excited to use this to enhance language learning dialogs, but their licensing is very strict and the software doesn't give you access to the final video files to redistribute them. Apart from their specific use case, I it seems it would be hard to do anything else with this. They should think a bit harder about unshackling it a bit. It's a powerful idea.

networked 13y ago
Thanks for the warning. As per Plotagon's current terms of use [1] they get the right of first refusal [2] to the user's content. Can someone with a knowledge of copyright law explain whether this would mean they have the right of first refusal to any screenplay you've imported into their software? If so, that's not reasonable. Also, video embedding through non-standard means is prohibited and there is no official mechanism for video embedding. Will one be provided? The license clauses in question: >24. Plotagon License to User Intellectual Property >You agree that Plotagon shall be given the infinite, worldwide and exclusive publishing rights to your User Content created with the Service. Plotagon may also use your User Content and User Texts for marketing purposes and feature them in its services, for example as educational material, in tutorials etc. Plotagon also has the first right of refusal and right of last refusal and matching rights to acquire any additional rights to the User Content. >25. User License to Plotagon Intellectual Property >You are hereby given a license to use the Service and the Plotagon Content to create User Content provided however that you abide by all Terms stipulated in these Terms of Use. You are entitled to post your User Content on the Website, and other permitted channels that Plotagon may announce in the future. You are not entitled to post your User Content on other, non-permitted websites, media, social networks or show the works embedded on other websites, except through functionality specifically provided by Plotagon to do so. [1] https://plotagon.com/terms https://plotagon.com/terms (last updated: August 8, 2013) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_first_refusal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_first_refusal
- gaius 13y ago
  Wow. Imagine if Microsoft put the same nonsense in the Word license, it would have been stillborn. Or is this the plan all along, an IP grab...?
- captaincrowbar 13y ago
  Crap. I thought this looked promising and started downloading it before I saw these terms. I won't waste time trying it now, with those ridiculous restrictions there's no point in bothering.
uniclaude 13y ago
This comment should sit at the top, as it might save a lot of time to a probably large part of people seeing this product. Note to self: Read terms....
- ckingdon 13y ago
  Hi, we listened and we have been spending some times with the company lawyers. Next week we will come out with updated user terms. Basically what we meant with the first and last refusal is that we should have the right to make a commercial offer to a writer of a good script for their movie rights, but since anyone really always has this right it doesnt add much to keep it in the user terms, especially since it can be confusing and unclear (for example Kindle worlds put in their user terms that they have the right to buy any story created in Kindle worlds for 10 000 USD. We were really not after anything like that). Brgs, Chris (Founder, CEO at Plotagon)

by snoonan 13y ago

networked 13y ago

Thanks for the warning. As per Plotagon's current terms of use [1] they get the right of first refusal [2] to the user's content. Can someone with a knowledge of copyright law explain whether this would mean they have the right of first refusal to any screenplay you've imported into their software? If so, that's not reasonable. Also, video embedding through non-standard means is prohibited and there is no official mechanism for video embedding. Will one be provided? The license clauses in question: >24. Plotagon License to User Intellectual Property >You agree that Plotagon shall be given the infinite, worldwide and exclusive publishing rights to your User Content created with the Service. Plotagon may also use your User Content and User Texts for marketing purposes and feature them in its services, for example as educational material, in tutorials etc. Plotagon also has the first right of refusal and right of last refusal and matching rights to acquire any additional rights to the User Content. >25. User License to Plotagon Intellectual Property >You are hereby given a license to use the Service and the Plotagon Content to create User Content provided however that you abide by all Terms stipulated in these Terms of Use. You are entitled to post your User Content on the Website, and other permitted channels that Plotagon may announce in the future. You are not entitled to post your User Content on other, non-permitted websites, media, social networks or show the works embedded on other websites, except through functionality specifically provided by Plotagon to do so. [1] https://plotagon.com/terms https://plotagon.com/terms (last updated: August 8, 2013) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_first_refusal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_first_refusal

gaius 13y ago
Wow. Imagine if Microsoft put the same nonsense in the Word license, it would have been stillborn. Or is this the plan all along, an IP grab...?
captaincrowbar 13y ago
Crap. I thought this looked promising and started downloading it before I saw these terms. I won't waste time trying it now, with those ridiculous restrictions there's no point in bothering.

uniclaude 13y ago

This comment should sit at the top, as it might save a lot of time to a probably large part of people seeing this product. Note to self: Read terms....

ckingdon 13y ago
Hi, we listened and we have been spending some times with the company lawyers. Next week we will come out with updated user terms. Basically what we meant with the first and last refusal is that we should have the right to make a commercial offer to a writer of a good script for their movie rights, but since anyone really always has this right it doesnt add much to keep it in the user terms, especially since it can be confusing and unclear (for example Kindle worlds put in their user terms that they have the right to buy any story created in Kindle worlds for 10 000 USD. We were really not after anything like that). Brgs, Chris (Founder, CEO at Plotagon)