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You can be sued anywhere for anything - you are just saying 'words' without giving any facts. People are sued in many countries for intellectual property issue

You can be sued anywhere for anything - you are just saying 'words' without giving any facts. People are sued in many countries for intellectual property issues. USA is not alone. The #1 reason you have no intention of opening up shop in the US is probably something else - ie. you are not a US citizen or you wouldn't even know how to incorporate if you tried - come on.

kintamanimatt 13y ago
I'm very well aware of how to incorporate a company in multiple jurisdictions; it's not hard and rarely expensive. Being a US-citizen isn't necessarily a barrier to opening a company in the US either; there are are whole battery of appropriate visa categories for entrepreneurs. Indeed you can be sued anywhere for anything, but the matter of jurisdiction arises quite quickly in many cases. Also, American patent trolls don't seem to attempt to sue foreign companies that don't have a presence in the US.
- Grovara123 13y ago
  Again - words - not facts. "American patent trolls don't seem..." where did you pull that out of... sounds pretty but you got nothing to back up that statement.
  - kintamanimatt 13y ago
    You're asking me to prove a negative. I can't find any instances of a US-based patent troll suing, say, a British or Irish or German software company that has no offices, etc in the US, and this is what I'm basing my non-absolute statements on. Anyway, you appear to be a troll of the internet variety, so I'll leave you in peace because you're in no way trying to debate, but antagonize.
    - Grovara123 13y ago
      I'm a troll because I disagree? Have you searched the US Court Databases? As an attorney - I have. Check out lexisnexis for case law. There are hundreds of cases of US owners of patents suing and litigating against international infringers... literally hundreds. Also, you are totally discrediting the monopolies that run the world and how they have prevented other companies from entering their markets via other aggressive methods or patent purchasing...
      - victorf 13y ago
        Hundreds of cases vs. how many domestic? If domestic cases run even into the thousands you just proved the idea that it is less likely to be sued as a foreign company.
      - kintamanimatt 13y ago
        Those monopolies you're talking of (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, etc) are subject to US laws and courts because they are US corporations. Other large companies likely also have a presence in the US, which again subjects them to US laws and courts. Why don't you cite a handful of recent cases (<5 years) in which a British or German software company has been successfully sued in the US for infringing upon a US-registered software patent by a US patent troll? I'm not saying you're wrong, and of course just because I haven't found anything doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but the odds of being successfully sued by a patent troll as a foreign business are vastly less than being sued as a US company. Even if a patent troll were successful in securing judgment (perhaps by default), enforcing a judgment against a foreign company is vastly harder than a domestic one; patent trolls like easy wins. Nobody in Europe is complaining about US patent trolls suing them because to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't happen. If it does, it's so infrequent that it's a non-issue. I assume you're a troll because of your comment history. I mean, c'mon, you pretended to be able to read my mind and asserted that my lack of desire to open up an office or business in the US was not because of the risk and costs of a patent troll's attempt at a shake-down, but rather because I don't know how to form a company, or that I'm not a US citizen! If you're really a lawyer I doubt you'd be making such claims.
CamperBob2 13y ago
Patent trolls seldom go after foreign businesses, or do anything else that even remotely looks like actual work.
- Grovara123 13y ago
  again - words... not facts... Buying and litigating patents is A LOT of work. I am not supporting them - but you can't discredit their work just because you don't believe in what they legally are entitled to do. I don't support big oil or old-school-energy monopolies - but that doesn't mean I discredit what they do.
  - ganeumann 13y ago
    Buying and litigating patents is A LOT of work. That's not an argument. Make-work is not valuable. you can't discredit their work just because you don't believe in what they legally are entitled to do Well, sure you can. Just because it's legal does not mean it's ethical. You're a lawyer, you should understand that.

kintamanimatt 13y ago

I'm very well aware of how to incorporate a company in multiple jurisdictions; it's not hard and rarely expensive. Being a US-citizen isn't necessarily a barrier to opening a company in the US either; there are are whole battery of appropriate visa categories for entrepreneurs. Indeed you can be sued anywhere for anything, but the matter of jurisdiction arises quite quickly in many cases. Also, American patent trolls don't seem to attempt to sue foreign companies that don't have a presence in the US.

Grovara123 13y ago
Again - words - not facts. "American patent trolls don't seem..." where did you pull that out of... sounds pretty but you got nothing to back up that statement.
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  You're asking me to prove a negative. I can't find any instances of a US-based patent troll suing, say, a British or Irish or German software company that has no offices, etc in the US, and this is what I'm basing my non-absolute statements on. Anyway, you appear to be a troll of the internet variety, so I'll leave you in peace because you're in no way trying to debate, but antagonize.
  - Grovara123 13y ago
    I'm a troll because I disagree? Have you searched the US Court Databases? As an attorney - I have. Check out lexisnexis for case law. There are hundreds of cases of US owners of patents suing and litigating against international infringers... literally hundreds. Also, you are totally discrediting the monopolies that run the world and how they have prevented other companies from entering their markets via other aggressive methods or patent purchasing...
    - victorf 13y ago
      Hundreds of cases vs. how many domestic? If domestic cases run even into the thousands you just proved the idea that it is less likely to be sued as a foreign company.
    - kintamanimatt 13y ago
      Those monopolies you're talking of (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, etc) are subject to US laws and courts because they are US corporations. Other large companies likely also have a presence in the US, which again subjects them to US laws and courts. Why don't you cite a handful of recent cases (<5 years) in which a British or German software company has been successfully sued in the US for infringing upon a US-registered software patent by a US patent troll? I'm not saying you're wrong, and of course just because I haven't found anything doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but the odds of being successfully sued by a patent troll as a foreign business are vastly less than being sued as a US company. Even if a patent troll were successful in securing judgment (perhaps by default), enforcing a judgment against a foreign company is vastly harder than a domestic one; patent trolls like easy wins. Nobody in Europe is complaining about US patent trolls suing them because to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't happen. If it does, it's so infrequent that it's a non-issue. I assume you're a troll because of your comment history. I mean, c'mon, you pretended to be able to read my mind and asserted that my lack of desire to open up an office or business in the US was not because of the risk and costs of a patent troll's attempt at a shake-down, but rather because I don't know how to form a company, or that I'm not a US citizen! If you're really a lawyer I doubt you'd be making such claims.

CamperBob2 13y ago

Patent trolls seldom go after foreign businesses, or do anything else that even remotely looks like actual work.

Grovara123 13y ago
again - words... not facts... Buying and litigating patents is A LOT of work. I am not supporting them - but you can't discredit their work just because you don't believe in what they legally are entitled to do. I don't support big oil or old-school-energy monopolies - but that doesn't mean I discredit what they do.
- ganeumann 13y ago
  Buying and litigating patents is A LOT of work. That's not an argument. Make-work is not valuable. you can't discredit their work just because you don't believe in what they legally are entitled to do Well, sure you can. Just because it's legal does not mean it's ethical. You're a lawyer, you should understand that.