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Why is that a good thing for the world? Serious question. Why should we enable businesses that don't want to develop modern software? Doesn't this hold back the

Why is that a good thing for the world? Serious question. Why should we enable businesses that don't want to develop modern software? Doesn't this hold back the world in terms of productivity and software quality?

bussiere 13y ago
just for gaming history it's worth it. Freedos allow me to play some of my old games. And there was a lot of good games on windows xp, so i hope that people could still play them.
sigstoat 13y ago
as an example: scientific instrumentation manufacturers are rather bad about keeping their software up to date, and some of them are good about making instruments that will run for decades. it is hardly anything-friendly to toss a working, expensive instrument because you can't buy a computer that will run ancient-OS-whatever anymore, or they EOL'd the OS and you can't get patches, etc. there isn't enough diversity/competition/whatever in the market to shop for instruments on the basis of software quality. sadly.
- raverbashing 13y ago
  Yes This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Most equipment is "Windows based" today It is "ok" if it's fully built-in, still vulnerable to network/USB exploits, though. The main issue is when it's a USB/PCI device, and then you have to provide the computer to run it, and of course, there's probably not going to be support for the next versions. This is usually equipment costing 5 to 6 digits
mixmastamyk 13y ago
It's just as likely a can't rather than want. I can see some value allowing old software to continue to be useful, even for just data export purposes. There's little other creative or "intellectual property" that becomes non-functional after only ten years. Compared to, say, movies or photography.
wvenable 13y ago
The side of the coin: Why are we wasting time re-writing software that is already done? How is that progress?
- Piskvorrr 13y ago
  Because the already-done software (e.g. XP) has serious issues; namely, even if you have obtained it legally, you can't legally install and run it without the manufacturer's explicit consent (activation servers will go down some time after EOL - after that, you can either go illegal and crack your copy, or you can't use it at all). In other words, it's timebombed. (Note that I'm not passing judgement on this - just stating the existence of such condition.) For a home user, this is a non-issue (as "meh, just get a new OS" is also an option, due to commodity hardware); for an organization, this is big trouble (as neither "so we'll use the OS illegally, whatever" or "so we'll throw away the equipment we now can't use" is an option).
  - lttlrck 13y ago
    Or Microsoft could issue a hotfix to remove the license check. Adobe has such unlocked version of CS2.
    - Piskvorrr 13y ago
      Which is something which might happen, or perhaps not, and is entirely under MS's control and discretion. IMNSHO, this is a very unlikely scenario - the (misguided) reaction of the general public would be something like "oh look, XP had its antipiracy protection disabled by MS, which means it's now free to use; who needs Win8 anyway?" I can't imagine MS essentially undermining one of its core cash cows (Windows) anytime in the near future, especially as the "meh, just get a new computer with new Windows" line has proven effective in most cases. Also, as I have yet to see this to happen to any deprecated and truly obsolete MS product (Altair BASIC? MS-DOS? Windows 3.11?), I don't see that happening to a product which is anything but disused.
      - delian66 13y ago

bussiere 13y ago

just for gaming history it's worth it. Freedos allow me to play some of my old games. And there was a lot of good games on windows xp, so i hope that people could still play them.

sigstoat 13y ago

as an example: scientific instrumentation manufacturers are rather bad about keeping their software up to date, and some of them are good about making instruments that will run for decades. it is hardly anything-friendly to toss a working, expensive instrument because you can't buy a computer that will run ancient-OS-whatever anymore, or they EOL'd the OS and you can't get patches, etc. there isn't enough diversity/competition/whatever in the market to shop for instruments on the basis of software quality. sadly.

raverbashing 13y ago
Yes This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Most equipment is "Windows based" today It is "ok" if it's fully built-in, still vulnerable to network/USB exploits, though. The main issue is when it's a USB/PCI device, and then you have to provide the computer to run it, and of course, there's probably not going to be support for the next versions. This is usually equipment costing 5 to 6 digits

mixmastamyk 13y ago

It's just as likely a can't rather than want. I can see some value allowing old software to continue to be useful, even for just data export purposes. There's little other creative or "intellectual property" that becomes non-functional after only ten years. Compared to, say, movies or photography.

wvenable 13y ago

The side of the coin: Why are we wasting time re-writing software that is already done? How is that progress?

Piskvorrr 13y ago
Because the already-done software (e.g. XP) has serious issues; namely, even if you have obtained it legally, you can't legally install and run it without the manufacturer's explicit consent (activation servers will go down some time after EOL - after that, you can either go illegal and crack your copy, or you can't use it at all). In other words, it's timebombed. (Note that I'm not passing judgement on this - just stating the existence of such condition.) For a home user, this is a non-issue (as "meh, just get a new OS" is also an option, due to commodity hardware); for an organization, this is big trouble (as neither "so we'll use the OS illegally, whatever" or "so we'll throw away the equipment we now can't use" is an option).
- lttlrck 13y ago
  Or Microsoft could issue a hotfix to remove the license check. Adobe has such unlocked version of CS2.
  - Piskvorrr 13y ago
    Which is something which might happen, or perhaps not, and is entirely under MS's control and discretion. IMNSHO, this is a very unlikely scenario - the (misguided) reaction of the general public would be something like "oh look, XP had its antipiracy protection disabled by MS, which means it's now free to use; who needs Win8 anyway?" I can't imagine MS essentially undermining one of its core cash cows (Windows) anytime in the near future, especially as the "meh, just get a new computer with new Windows" line has proven effective in most cases. Also, as I have yet to see this to happen to any deprecated and truly obsolete MS product (Altair BASIC? MS-DOS? Windows 3.11?), I don't see that happening to a product which is anything but disused.
    - delian66 13y ago