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> Not Germany, France, Italy, USA, Turkey they all suck As a German, I really have to agree. Don't get trapped here. It's not a very friendly country, especial

by Udo 13y ago

> Not Germany, France, Italy, USA, Turkey they all suck As a German, I really have to agree. Don't get trapped here. It's not a very friendly country, especially compared to the scandinavian ones. Xenophobia is also an issue. If I was seeking asylum in order to start a new life somewhere, I'd much rather try for London or Stockholm. Asylum in Germany is more like being in protective custody. Do not do this.

jhh 13y ago
unfortunately this is still true. I think however there has been rather big improvement in the last decade.
zurn 13y ago
Berlin is way friendlier than Stockholm IME. London and Stockholm are also some of the most expensivie cities in Europe whereas Berlin is cheap.
- OGC 13y ago
  Cheap doesn't get you anything if you aren't allowed to work.
  - zurn 13y ago
    Ah, I skimmed over the part about asylum conditions. Not allowed to work even when he already has a telejob?
pary 13y ago
Really Munich/Berlin sucks? Why? IMHO for IT is good. In Munich there are developers from all around the world. I'm not German and I feel good here.
- Vivtek 13y ago
  Yeah, but asylum recipients (asylees?) don't get to choose where they are settled. You could end up in Oberunterschwabenhafen and not be allowed to leave the village. Germany is a bad choice for asylum - I mean, it's great that Germany has a robust system for asylum, because there are people who genuinely need it and benefit from it, but if you're looking for a place to work, this is probably the wrong mechanism.
w_t_payne 13y ago
I have many German friends, so it pains me to say this; but yes, you are right: parts of Germany still have a problem with racism. My sister-in-law (originally from Kenya) used to live in Germany for many years, and found the abuse she received there demoralizing and (ultimately) intolerable. She now lives here in the UK, and is much, much, much happier as a result, although I think the psychological scars from her time in Germany will remain with her for the rest of her life.

by Udo 13y ago

jhh 13y ago

unfortunately this is still true. I think however there has been rather big improvement in the last decade.

zurn 13y ago

Berlin is way friendlier than Stockholm IME. London and Stockholm are also some of the most expensivie cities in Europe whereas Berlin is cheap.

OGC 13y ago
Cheap doesn't get you anything if you aren't allowed to work.
- zurn 13y ago
  Ah, I skimmed over the part about asylum conditions. Not allowed to work even when he already has a telejob?

pary 13y ago

Really Munich/Berlin sucks? Why? IMHO for IT is good. In Munich there are developers from all around the world. I'm not German and I feel good here.

Vivtek 13y ago
Yeah, but asylum recipients (asylees?) don't get to choose where they are settled. You could end up in Oberunterschwabenhafen and not be allowed to leave the village. Germany is a bad choice for asylum - I mean, it's great that Germany has a robust system for asylum, because there are people who genuinely need it and benefit from it, but if you're looking for a place to work, this is probably the wrong mechanism.

w_t_payne 13y ago

I have many German friends, so it pains me to say this; but yes, you are right: parts of Germany still have a problem with racism. My sister-in-law (originally from Kenya) used to live in Germany for many years, and found the abuse she received there demoralizing and (ultimately) intolerable. She now lives here in the UK, and is much, much, much happier as a result, although I think the psychological scars from her time in Germany will remain with her for the rest of her life.