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I approve this too. Don't go to Germany. As a German citizen I really hate to say this, but recently there has been a hitch in the media where there were prote
by the-kenny 13y ago
I approve this too. Don't go to Germany.
As a German citizen I really hate to say this, but recently there has been a hitch in the media where there were protests by neonazi groups in front of asylum homes. Sadly, there are still people who see asylum seekers as potential job-stealers, showing them nothing but hate and would like to throw them all out, regardless of their skills.
This is absolutely not the general opinion in Germany, but at least some people think so.
- Blahah 13y agoThe same is true of England. We have the EDL who are a bunch of racist morons. But they are a tiny, despised minority, and certainly shouldn't deter anyone from seeking asylum here.
- JonnieCache 13y agoThe English Defence League's stature within society can be easily understood by the fact that their homepage is outranked on google by the English Disco Lovers, a group set up specifically to steal their acronym.
- jusben1369 13y agoAlthough in all fairness that could say a great deal about the passion the English have for disco that was previously untapped until this group was formed (is it wrong to joke about such a serious topic?)
- JonnieCache 13y agoMaking jokes at the expensive of fascists is a proud tradition. Long may it continue. It guards against their language and mythos being taken seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball
- theorique 13y agoI thought that was the BNP. Isn't the EDL focused on Islam or something like that?
- Blahah 13y agoThe BNP are a different bunch of racist morons. Given that about 75% of the Syrian population are muslim [1], it's exactly the sort of thing the EDL would make a fuss about. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#Religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#Religion
- cabalamat 13y ago> The BNP are a different bunch of racist morons Yes, although I'm sure there is a good deal of overlap > Given that about 75% of the Syrian population are muslim [1], it's exactly the sort of thing the EDL would make a fuss about. The EDL say they are an anti-Muslim organisation, but I imagine most of their supporters are motivated by a more generalised xenophobia, so would dislike Syrians of all religions and none.
- kmfrk 13y agoUKIP, too.
- MistahKoala 13y agoDon't forget Labour.
- Nux 13y agoDon't forget the "Liberty" party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcVguB0GaY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcVguB0GaY
- jb17 13y agoIt's not quite the same. Apart from the fact that the EDL are not neonazis, over 100 asylum seekers were killed by racists in the last 20 years in Germany. Some of the bigger events were racist riots in Rostock [1] and Hoyerswerda [2], and arson attacks on asylum seeker homes in Solingen [3] and Lubeck. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Rostock-Lichtenhagen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Rostock-Lichtenhagen [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Hoyerswerda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Hoyerswerda [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993
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- Tichy 13y agoDo you have a citation for the 100 deaths? The number seems rather high - from the three events you cite there were "only" five deaths (killed in a fire).
- jb17 13y agoThe "Amadeu Antonio Stiftung" has a list [1] of 183 deaths after 1990, where they describe the circumstances of each death. There is also a German wikipedia article that discusses different statistics [2]. Sorry, both sources are in German. Maybe Google translate will help a little? [1] http://www.mut-gegen-rechte-gewalt.de/news/chronik-der-gewalt/todesopfer-rechtsextremer-und-rassistischer-gewalt-seit-1990/ http://www.mut-gegen-rechte-gewalt.de/news/chronik-der-gewal... [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todesopfer_rechtsextremer_Gewalt_in_Deutschland http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todesopfer_rechtsextremer_Gewal...
- Tichy 13y agoThanks! I'd say that Germany is still pretty safe, but I admit that there are places that even I as a German feel uneasy about - mostly the rural areas in former East German states. Also the way asylum seekers are treated here seems pretty bad. But that refers to the way the government handles the issue, not to the attitude of the general population.
- 0bp 13y agoEvery county has some sick people. Really not an issue of Germany.
- bayesianhorse 13y agoEspecially concerning muslims or people from muslim countries, xenophobia is crossing over to be the majority opinion. Over half of all Germans believe Islam to be a threat. Having an arab/turkish name can disqualify you for most job interviews, regardless of background or skill. There was a bestseller in the past years where someone wanted to rationalize social inequality towards especially turks with the basic idea that turks in Germany are genetically inferior in intelligence and will "dilute" our gene pool because of their high reproductive rates... The only saving grace in that incidence was that most Germans pushed back heavily, at least at that time.
- bobbinsIII 13y agothe idea that an "arab/turkish name" disqualifies you from job interviews is dishonest nonsense. it's also quite separate from sarazin's book, which raises some important issues.
- bayesianhorse 13y agoThis "dishonest nonsense" has been proven in studies and it vibrates with my own experience in companies where behind the curtains this stuff is rationalized a lot. Sarrazin didn't "raise important issues". He made superficially rational arguments which have in many cases been disproven completely. However these rationalisations were then echoed by racist beliefs buried in society and the discussion became one of racism versus civil rights, ending totally unproductively. The main "issue" was that "turks are genetically inferior in intelligence so we need not try and give them better chances in education or employment". He didn't even propose to deport two million fellow citizens, but others did that for him in response...
- bobbinsIII 13y agono. 'disqualifies you from job interviews' only applies in very few cases. obviously there will be some discrimination overall, but it's not a serious reason to avoid Germany. I think the persistent poor performance of certain large immigrant groups certainly is an important issue. It is also true that part of this underperformance may have a genetic cause.
- Tichy 13y agoYou'll find such people in every country, I don't think it proves anything about the general sentiment of the population.
- levosmetalo 13y agoI would say don't go to former East Germany, including Berlin. Bayern and Baden Württemberg are one of the most peaceful and safe regions in whole Europe, though a bit conservative. I absolute love leaving there, although I'm a foreigner which still can't speak proper German or Schwäbisch. Though, as a white man, my experience about behaviour of natives might lack first hand perspective of how it looks for black people.
- F30 13y agoIncluding Berlin, seriously? I'm tempted to agree with you on the rest of eastern Germany, at least rural regions. But Berlin is more of a multicultural, open-minded island. Southern Germans however, as you say, tend to be quite conservative. I'm glad for you that you like it here. But as I see it, the most important reason keeping the south from being as unfriendly to foreigners as the east, is its relative economic success and therefore less need for scapegoats.