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Hear. Hear. I saw the original article to which the author of the article submitted here responds, http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/priva
by tokenadult 13y ago
Hear. Hear. I saw the original article to which the author of the article submitted here responds,
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/private_school_vs_public_school_only_bad_people_send_their_kids_to_private.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/priva...
and I thought, "What a shallow analysis." I'm glad that there has already been a reply article, and I'm especially glad that it is gaining lots of karma here on Hacker News.
Readers who like deeper analysis of these issues may be interested in reading some of the books found in the online bibliography "Books on School and State,"
http://learninfreedom.org/school_state.html http://learninfreedom.org/school_state.html
part of my personal website. For a long time, I have been studying education policy, and indeed it was reading Paul
Graham's essays
http://paulgraham.com/articles.html http://paulgraham.com/articles.html
on education policy that drew me to participating here on Hacker News. We can all come up with lots of ways to incrementally improve schools, and we can best do that by exposing any one kind of school to competition from competing providers.
I have seen some examples of helpful reforms where I live. Minnesota, where I now live and where I grew up, has had largely equal per-capita funding for public school pupils statewide since the 1970s. The state law change that made most school funding come from general state appropriations rather than from local property taxes was called the "Minnesota miracle."
http://www.mnhs.org/library/tips/history_topics/18public.html http://www.mnhs.org/library/tips/history_topics/18public.htm...
Today most funding for schools is distributed by the state government on a per-pupil enrollment basis.
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/mnschfin.pdf http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/mnschfin.pdf
http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/SchSup/SchFin/index.html http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/SchSup/SchFin/index.html
The funding reform in the 1970s was followed up by two further reforms in the 1980s. First, the former compulsory instruction statute in Minnesota was ruled unconstitutional in a court case involving a homeschooling family, and a new compulsory instruction statute explicitly allows more nonpublic school alternatives for families who seek those. Second, the Legislature, pushed by the then Governor, set up statewide open enrollment
http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/StuSuc/EnrollChoice/index.html http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/StuSuc/EnrollChoice/index.h...
and the opportunity for advanced learners to attend up to two years of college while still high school students on the state's dime.
http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/StuSuc/CollReadi/PSEO/index.html http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/StuSuc/CollReadi/PSEO/index...
And Minnesota also has the oldest charter school statute in the United States.
http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Chance-Passage-Pioneering-Charter/dp/1592984762/ http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Chance-Passage-Pioneering-Charter...
Parents in Minnesota now have more power to shop than parents in most states. That gets closer to the ideal of detecting the optimum education environment for each student (by parents observing what works for each of their differing children) and giving it to them by open-enrolling in another school district (my school district has inbound open-enrollment students from forty-one other school districts of residence) or by homeschooling, or by postsecondary study at high school age, or by exercising other choices.
The educational results of Minnesota schools are well above the meager results of most United States schools, and almost competitive (but not fully competitive) with the better schools in the newly industrialized countries of east Asia and southeast Asia. It's a start. More choices would be even better.
- anthonyb 13y agoNot really a shallow analysis, but they don't make their point particularly well. I think bringing in "sacrificing your kids to make a point" is unnecessary linkbait. The basic issue for me is that western democracies and the US are founded on principles of equality (qv. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal). If public education is left to rot (as well as transport and healthcare and everything else), but the rich are allowed to buy their way out, surely this is a subversion of the principles that your country is founded on? Edit: wow, you've added a hundred links since I replied. Perhaps you could condense your point down into a couple of paragraphs?
- briandear 13y agoThe problem with public education is that it isn't typically shaped by free market principals and there's little effective competition. Competition drives innovation. Parents are generally the best arbiters of success because they care about their kids more than anyone else. Adam Smith, when applied to education can have dramatic results, yet public schools are typically about as efficient as a Pentagon procurement office.
- anthonyb 13y agoprinciples, not principals. Which, thinking about it, is an even more condensed version of my argument above. Competition is all very well, but if you're talking about the education of a country, you can't very well just chuck out half the students and/or schools because they failed the competition, particularly when the competition is "rigged" from the start: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/09Rparenting.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/...
- falk 13y agoFinland has the best school system in the world and they aren't driven by the free market.
- jacoblyles 13y ago