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I was speaking narrowly to your point claiming that banks don't need loyalty like spy agencies do because they're not trying to hide billion-dollar programs. I

• hollerith 13y ago
  There are always going to be cases where the interests of the employee and the organization are aligned. I do not think it is illuminating to call that "a kind of loyalty". When I am loyal to something or someone, I will defend their interests even when doing so goes against my (other) personal interests. Also, you're ignoring my point that certain organizations have the option of intentionally causing (via e.g. paying commissions on sales) a broad alignment of personal and organizational interests, but spy agencies (and police departments and court systems) do not. And just because paying someone obscenely well succeeds in getting them to increase whatever source of organizational profits was increased in the Libor scandal does not mean that paying Snowden obscenely well would have succeeded in getting him to ignore the broad public-policy implications of Prism and such (or paying a cop obscenely well would succeed in stopping him from brutalizing people under his power or stopping him from doing other things against the long-term interests of his department). Finally, since Hacker News (measured in the scores of my previous comments of this nature) does not value long series of back-and-forths, this will probably be my last response in this thread.