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I beg to differ, I think that if you are knowledgeable enough to know what open source is, what it means and how it works, then you're able to download xcode, b

by doe88 13y ago

I beg to differ, I think that if you are knowledgeable enough to know what open source is, what it means and how it works, then you're able to download xcode, build the open source app, bypass the apple store and install it on your device.

leokun 13y ago
As long as you are willing and able to pay Apple $100 a year to install your own apps on your own phone.
- engrenage 13y ago
  If this is just about you saving $100, why all the rhetoric about walled gardens?
  - leokun 13y ago
    It's not about $100 a year, although that's a real barrier. It's that you and I are not in control over what software our hardware we own can run. Do I lease my smartphone from the company or do I own it, because it sure doesn't feel like I own it when I have to pay someone a $100 a year to run my software on my device. It feels like I'm being robbed. Robbed of money, robbed of choice, robbed of control.
    - engrenage 13y ago
      I feel as though some people spent many years doing painstaking, world class engineering work, and I paid them so that I could use it. After I paid them they continued to support me videos and direct communication to help me use what I'd paid for, and they took seriously the problems I identified. I'm sorry that you consider this being 'Robbed'. I had my car stolen once, and my house broken into another time, and those things didn't feel good.
- zeckalpha 13y ago
  Don't you only need to pay $100 to distribute the app, right?
crazygringo 13y ago
That's like saying if you're knowledgeable enough to know what electricity is, you're able to install your own circuit breaker. That's totally ridiculous. If XCode is like any other compilation environment I've ever used, incompatible library versions will be involved, you'll need to download additional libraries, cryptic errors will be produced, environment variables will need to be changed... and the process will take three days before you finally just give up. Correct me if I'm wrong, and XCode is a magical application where Everything Just Works, but given the frequency with which my iTunes malfunctions, I highly doubt it.

by doe88 13y ago

leokun 13y ago

As long as you are willing and able to pay Apple $100 a year to install your own apps on your own phone.

engrenage 13y ago
If this is just about you saving $100, why all the rhetoric about walled gardens?
- leokun 13y ago
  It's not about $100 a year, although that's a real barrier. It's that you and I are not in control over what software our hardware we own can run. Do I lease my smartphone from the company or do I own it, because it sure doesn't feel like I own it when I have to pay someone a $100 a year to run my software on my device. It feels like I'm being robbed. Robbed of money, robbed of choice, robbed of control.
  - engrenage 13y ago
    I feel as though some people spent many years doing painstaking, world class engineering work, and I paid them so that I could use it. After I paid them they continued to support me videos and direct communication to help me use what I'd paid for, and they took seriously the problems I identified. I'm sorry that you consider this being 'Robbed'. I had my car stolen once, and my house broken into another time, and those things didn't feel good.
zeckalpha 13y ago
Don't you only need to pay $100 to distribute the app, right?

crazygringo 13y ago

That's like saying if you're knowledgeable enough to know what electricity is, you're able to install your own circuit breaker. That's totally ridiculous. If XCode is like any other compilation environment I've ever used, incompatible library versions will be involved, you'll need to download additional libraries, cryptic errors will be produced, environment variables will need to be changed... and the process will take three days before you finally just give up. Correct me if I'm wrong, and XCode is a magical application where Everything Just Works, but given the frequency with which my iTunes malfunctions, I highly doubt it.