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> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it,

> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. I'd bother replying to the rest of your ill-informed statements, but it's clear that you don't understand the systems involved. Read up on it before making such false statements. I really don't need to address your circular logic, that's just sad. There is no "blanket spying" any more than a police watching traffic go by for speeders is "blanket spying". There's your car analogy.

cutie 13y ago
Congrats on the most obtuse post of the day... content-free. So, you support the power of the state over the idea of the fourth amendment (warrant process)? Ok, stating that fact would be more effective than this "that's just sad" tripe.
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  It's not my job to help you reason with logic. If you can't appreciate that circular reasoning is a distraction, then what is my explaining going to do other than waste my time? I'll just have repeat myself as you spout more and more meme-like troupes and purposeful misunderstandings. I'm not hear to proselytize or market. I'm hear to figure out the truth for myself, if others happen to be convinced in the process, that's just a happy side-effect.
  - digisign 13y ago
    Then quit wasting everyone's time.
    - AsymetricCom 13y ago
      I see what you did there.
eliasmacpherson 13y ago
The NSA take a leak from a height on fourth amendment protections and "produce" falsified evidence trails. They do so at times when they have no right to. They have no mandate for domestic crime and yet as the quote and documents below reveal, they snoop for it and set up arrests. After that, the instruction is to cover up the evidence trail. This is what has come to light, I doubt it would have without Snowden. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE... "If the intelligence community collects information pursuant to a valid foreign intelligence tasking that is recognised as being evidence of a crime, [it] can disseminate that information to law enforcement, as appropriate." [1] [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/justice-department-surveillance-dea http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/justice-departm... EDIT: where I have written "produce" above I had initially written set up, the course of action is as follows. NSA tip off SOA/DICE re: domestic crime, SOA/DICE instruct DEA/IRS to have police stop suspect at location for e.g. "traffic violation" and create a parallel evidence chain - so that source of information cannot be determined.
mixmastamyk 13y ago
I understand it is considered ill-informed these days to expect the constitution to be followed. That those protections were developed over centuries of experience is no matter... founders must be rolling over in their graves (again?).

cutie 13y ago

Congrats on the most obtuse post of the day... content-free. So, you support the power of the state over the idea of the fourth amendment (warrant process)? Ok, stating that fact would be more effective than this "that's just sad" tripe.

AsymetricCom 13y ago
It's not my job to help you reason with logic. If you can't appreciate that circular reasoning is a distraction, then what is my explaining going to do other than waste my time? I'll just have repeat myself as you spout more and more meme-like troupes and purposeful misunderstandings. I'm not hear to proselytize or market. I'm hear to figure out the truth for myself, if others happen to be convinced in the process, that's just a happy side-effect.
- digisign 13y ago
  Then quit wasting everyone's time.
  - AsymetricCom 13y ago
    I see what you did there.

eliasmacpherson 13y ago

The NSA take a leak from a height on fourth amendment protections and "produce" falsified evidence trails. They do so at times when they have no right to. They have no mandate for domestic crime and yet as the quote and documents below reveal, they snoop for it and set up arrests. After that, the instruction is to cover up the evidence trail. This is what has come to light, I doubt it would have without Snowden. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE... "If the intelligence community collects information pursuant to a valid foreign intelligence tasking that is recognised as being evidence of a crime, [it] can disseminate that information to law enforcement, as appropriate." [1] [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/justice-department-surveillance-dea http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/justice-departm... EDIT: where I have written "produce" above I had initially written set up, the course of action is as follows. NSA tip off SOA/DICE re: domestic crime, SOA/DICE instruct DEA/IRS to have police stop suspect at location for e.g. "traffic violation" and create a parallel evidence chain - so that source of information cannot be determined.

mixmastamyk 13y ago

I understand it is considered ill-informed these days to expect the constitution to be followed. That those protections were developed over centuries of experience is no matter... founders must be rolling over in their graves (again?).