Thanks for offering what you know. I'm mainly recalling from Wozniak's book iWoz when it came out around 2007; I don't have a copy handy. On the quality of the

Thanks for offering what you know. I'm mainly recalling from Wozniak's book iWoz when it came out around 2007; I don't have a copy handy. On the quality of the computers, I have firsthand knowledge from 1981. Added to clarify: the claims I'm taking are that the ][ was the first PC someone could buy and use out of the box, dating from when that happened rather than the conference it was announced at, according to Woz; it was considerably better than the competitors for the first few years, if you could afford it; and they did not much cut prices as they ramped up production (that they might've had low margins in 1977 would be consistent with what I read). Woz's book had some stories about shopping it around before deciding to sell it themselves, and its influence on competitors, that I admit to being fuzzy about. And of course personal computers would have happened without them -- I never implied otherwise.