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IMHO, you pretty much don't need any apps to start with which is why you don't see them in the wild. You've got built in: Word, Excel, OneNote, Powerpoint, a d

IMHO, you pretty much don't need any apps to start with which is why you don't see them in the wild. You've got built in: Word, Excel, OneNote, Powerpoint, a decent mail client, decent web browser, Facebook / Twitter client, Calendar, image manager, cloud sync, wallet, music player, search, music recognition, decent calculator, product comparison and turn by turn navigation. You can't compete against that. The only apps I've added are: ebay (because their mobile site is shit) and Weather. Sure there are apps by the thousands developed by people but as per iOS and Android stores, most of them are buggy shite. App usage count doesn't mean the device is useless.

Nursie 13y ago
Nobody wants office on a phone, and the rest of the features are present on all the other platforms. So yes, you can compete with that, and do it much better.
- harrytuttle 13y ago
  Quite the contrary: people do want office on a phone. They don't want to write documents on it though. They want Outlook to be the same as their desktop (which it is). They want integrated calendars and contacts (which they are) so they can maintain their schedule on the road. They want to view documents straight up without some third party piece of shit viewer that can't render anything properly (which they can). They want their OneNote notebooks (which they can have). Not only that the whole shebang actually works 100% flawlessly.
  - Nursie 13y ago
    Seriously, I've never come across anyone that cares about document viewing on a phone, and I've worked in some huge enterprises. All the rest can be and is done flawlessly by any of the other OS's out there. Win phone has no killer feature. If it did we'd see people actually using it.
    - Piskvorrr 13y ago
      Well, now you have me as a data point, I care ;) Alas, I need to open "exotic" formats like OpenOffice spreadsheets as well (I don't really get a say on what format lands in my inbox): on Android, I have chosen amongst the 3 paid apps which can do this (yes, there are also 30 others, but as noted above, 90% of _anything_ is crap); on WP, I'd be SOL as _MS_ Word only handles...wait for it..._MS_ Office formats. Yay, vendor lock-in! (Although to be fair, since the last month, there _is_ now a rudimentary converter on the WP store)
Piskvorrr 13y ago
Oh, okay, I get it now: One Microsoft Way - our way or the highway, no competition needed (or desired). Sure, that makes business sense to me (really); but this is also the reason I'm not using a WP - it doesn't make sense _for_ me (as I've been bitten by single-vendor lock-in too many times; diversity in software providers at least allows me to hedge my bets, in case a new leadership decides that e.g. cloud sync is an excellent cash cow, and that the text editor screen is an excellent place to put ads). OTOH, developer engagement _with_ the platform eventually draws a user crowd to it - that's what the 4D motto means. I don't see any significant push in this direction (as opposed to, say, such past occurences with Win32API, or .net, or other MS technologies). If there's already "everything the user should ever need" (not to be confused with "everything the user needs"), then why bother?

Nursie 13y ago

Nobody wants office on a phone, and the rest of the features are present on all the other platforms. So yes, you can compete with that, and do it much better.

harrytuttle 13y ago
Quite the contrary: people do want office on a phone. They don't want to write documents on it though. They want Outlook to be the same as their desktop (which it is). They want integrated calendars and contacts (which they are) so they can maintain their schedule on the road. They want to view documents straight up without some third party piece of shit viewer that can't render anything properly (which they can). They want their OneNote notebooks (which they can have). Not only that the whole shebang actually works 100% flawlessly.
- Nursie 13y ago
  Seriously, I've never come across anyone that cares about document viewing on a phone, and I've worked in some huge enterprises. All the rest can be and is done flawlessly by any of the other OS's out there. Win phone has no killer feature. If it did we'd see people actually using it.
  - Piskvorrr 13y ago
    Well, now you have me as a data point, I care ;) Alas, I need to open "exotic" formats like OpenOffice spreadsheets as well (I don't really get a say on what format lands in my inbox): on Android, I have chosen amongst the 3 paid apps which can do this (yes, there are also 30 others, but as noted above, 90% of _anything_ is crap); on WP, I'd be SOL as _MS_ Word only handles...wait for it..._MS_ Office formats. Yay, vendor lock-in! (Although to be fair, since the last month, there _is_ now a rudimentary converter on the WP store)

Piskvorrr 13y ago

Oh, okay, I get it now: One Microsoft Way - our way or the highway, no competition needed (or desired). Sure, that makes business sense to me (really); but this is also the reason I'm not using a WP - it doesn't make sense _for_ me (as I've been bitten by single-vendor lock-in too many times; diversity in software providers at least allows me to hedge my bets, in case a new leadership decides that e.g. cloud sync is an excellent cash cow, and that the text editor screen is an excellent place to put ads). OTOH, developer engagement _with_ the platform eventually draws a user crowd to it - that's what the 4D motto means. I don't see any significant push in this direction (as opposed to, say, such past occurences with Win32API, or .net, or other MS technologies). If there's already "everything the user should ever need" (not to be confused with "everything the user needs"), then why bother?