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Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher th

by kjs3 13y ago

Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher than GNU Emacs. All of this mythologizing GNU Emacs as something more than a pale imitation created on hardware with a tiny fraction of the expressive power of the real thing is like watching some cargo cult culture talk about how they're going to build a real airplane out of bark and vines.

malandrew 13y ago
FYI: http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~weel/lispm.php http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~weel/lispm.php http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera...
- kjs3 13y ago
  I'm waaaay ahead of you here, but thanks for putting the links up for those who aren't in the know. And before someone cranks one of these up and nit-picks some functionality GNU Emacs has that this doesn't, do try and remember that serious development of Genera for all practical purposes ended before Stallman released the first public release of GNU Emacs.
  - malandrew 13y ago
    Awesome. I'm trying to get the Open Genera on OS X now and I'm running into problems getting the ES40 emulator built and compiled for OS X. How are you running OpenGenera?
agumonkey 13y ago
I think many of us are waiting for a lisp os to come back. At least personally, Emacs is just the closest thing to this idea which is also runnable right now (Except buying an old lispmachine, or running the genera image floating on the web not long ago).
- lispm 13y ago
  If you stay in Emacs, a Lisp OS will never come back.
  - agumonkey 13y ago
    Ok, back to Eclipse then <o/
WalterGR 13y ago
> Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher than GNU Emacs. What's the best demonstration of its appeal? Any good videos to watch? Is there an equivalent of Englebart's Mother of All Demos for Lisp machines?

by kjs3 13y ago

malandrew 13y ago

FYI: http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~weel/lispm.php http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~weel/lispm.php http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera...

kjs3 13y ago
I'm waaaay ahead of you here, but thanks for putting the links up for those who aren't in the know. And before someone cranks one of these up and nit-picks some functionality GNU Emacs has that this doesn't, do try and remember that serious development of Genera for all practical purposes ended before Stallman released the first public release of GNU Emacs.
- malandrew 13y ago
  Awesome. I'm trying to get the Open Genera on OS X now and I'm running into problems getting the ES40 emulator built and compiled for OS X. How are you running OpenGenera?

agumonkey 13y ago

I think many of us are waiting for a lisp os to come back. At least personally, Emacs is just the closest thing to this idea which is also runnable right now (Except buying an old lispmachine, or running the genera image floating on the web not long ago).

lispm 13y ago
If you stay in Emacs, a Lisp OS will never come back.
- agumonkey 13y ago
  Ok, back to Eclipse then <o/

WalterGR 13y ago

> Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher than GNU Emacs. What's the best demonstration of its appeal? Any good videos to watch? Is there an equivalent of Englebart's Mother of All Demos for Lisp machines?