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History and evolution of venture capital

26 points by austengary 13y ago

samspenc 13y ago
Why did it require "$2 million in the late ’90s" to start a company?
- npalli 13y ago
  1. You couldn't just lease hardware by the hour like AWS. So you had to put a lot of money buying hardware from companies like Sun. Also for the same dollar amount you would get a far smaller box in '90s compared to today. 2. No good quality free software, you had to buy everything from Oracle/Microsoft/Netscape to get a decent website up and going. Licenses cost a lot. 3. No lean startup model everything was a big bang approach which meant a lot of cash needed to get version 1. out. 4. No stackoverflow/google etc. so it just seemed to take longer for engineers to build something. Debugging took longer , the programming languages were less mature etc. Put all together it is about a 100x reduction in getting something in front of users today.
  - hga 13y ago
    Depending on what you mean by the "late '90s" I don't think it was quite that bad, but the budget was still up there. Apache was good enough for most if not all purposes by then, if you really knew what you were doing and your database people collaborated really well you could save 1/2 by using IBM's DB2 (very little independent documentation and lock vs. MVCC concurrency). Of course assuming your VCs bought off on all that. Another problem is elasticity; do your architecture correctly and AWS will allow you to quickly scale. Otherwise you tend to buy too much or too little hardware, either of which can kill or damage you. By then the web was quite useful for finding technical answers; obviously not as good as today, but still very useful.
  - tristanz 13y ago
    Having started companies in both 2000 and 2012, I just don't think this is true. It was easy to put something in front of users in 2000 for less than $1000. We started with a $20/month shared host, PHP and MySql, and easily scaled to hundreds of thousands of users just by renting some dedicated machines. Google, Yahoo, ViaWeb, Facebook, and Ebay all started the same way. Yes, there were crazy $2M funded startups that bought Sun hardware and Oracle software, but this was absolutely not required. Many parts of startups today are harder. Users' expectations for design and functionality is much higher. The internet was also much smaller in 2000, which made startups like Google possible. The explosion in seed deals seems much more driven by the funding landscape, the rise of mobile and the social web, and cultural recognition of startups like Facebook.
    - paultyng 13y ago
      MySQL and PHP both released in 1995 or so, there was a lot of movement in the "late 90's" so it really depends on where in there they are actually talking about.
    - peacelp 13y ago
      Excellent points...as the creator of the chart...I was not totally aware of that.
- ChuckMcM 13y ago
  So in 1995 I was the Director of Technology for a startup called "GolfWeb." Today that would be something like Ars Technica for golf, but at the time it was this new thing a "web magazine." That really nobody had any clue about. To serve it up we had a Sun machine that had a list price of $110,000 (we got it for $35,000 and some advertising deal with Sun), our T-1 line (1.544 Mbps bi-directional bandwidth) cost us $3,500 a month. The Cisco router we used on it was another $20,000. Our machine had a whopping 1.2 Gbytes of disk space available for editorial. The coverage of the Masters Tournament in 1996 did over a million page views per day (and nearly smoked our T-1 line). The next bump up was a T-3 line (45 Mbps) and it was $45,000 a month so we needed to get a lot better advertising if we were going to be able to support that cost. Today you could set up what we had for probably less than $100 a month. Think about that, in 1995 anywhere from $150,000 - $250,000 a month of "sales money" in terms of infrastructure value in supporting a web site, today about $1,200. Is it at all surprising that Sun is dead and the phone companies are the poorest source of IP transit access?
- peacelp 13y ago
  Actually it was supposed to be $5M. (I authored the chart)
costapopescu 13y ago
Fun fact: American Research and Development Corporation (ARDC) was one of the first venture capital firms founded in 1946 by Georges Doriot, the "father of venture capitalism" (former dean of Harvard Business School), Karl Compton (former president of MIT) and Ralph Flanders. ARDC is credited with the first major venture capital success story when its 1957 investment of $70,000 in Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) got valued at over $355 million after the company's IPO in 1968 (representing a return of over 1200 times on its investment and an annualized rate of return of 101%).

26 points by austengary 13y ago

samspenc 13y ago

Why did it require "$2 million in the late ’90s" to start a company?

npalli 13y ago
1. You couldn't just lease hardware by the hour like AWS. So you had to put a lot of money buying hardware from companies like Sun. Also for the same dollar amount you would get a far smaller box in '90s compared to today. 2. No good quality free software, you had to buy everything from Oracle/Microsoft/Netscape to get a decent website up and going. Licenses cost a lot. 3. No lean startup model everything was a big bang approach which meant a lot of cash needed to get version 1. out. 4. No stackoverflow/google etc. so it just seemed to take longer for engineers to build something. Debugging took longer , the programming languages were less mature etc. Put all together it is about a 100x reduction in getting something in front of users today.
- hga 13y ago
  Depending on what you mean by the "late '90s" I don't think it was quite that bad, but the budget was still up there. Apache was good enough for most if not all purposes by then, if you really knew what you were doing and your database people collaborated really well you could save 1/2 by using IBM's DB2 (very little independent documentation and lock vs. MVCC concurrency). Of course assuming your VCs bought off on all that. Another problem is elasticity; do your architecture correctly and AWS will allow you to quickly scale. Otherwise you tend to buy too much or too little hardware, either of which can kill or damage you. By then the web was quite useful for finding technical answers; obviously not as good as today, but still very useful.
- tristanz 13y ago
  Having started companies in both 2000 and 2012, I just don't think this is true. It was easy to put something in front of users in 2000 for less than $1000. We started with a $20/month shared host, PHP and MySql, and easily scaled to hundreds of thousands of users just by renting some dedicated machines. Google, Yahoo, ViaWeb, Facebook, and Ebay all started the same way. Yes, there were crazy $2M funded startups that bought Sun hardware and Oracle software, but this was absolutely not required. Many parts of startups today are harder. Users' expectations for design and functionality is much higher. The internet was also much smaller in 2000, which made startups like Google possible. The explosion in seed deals seems much more driven by the funding landscape, the rise of mobile and the social web, and cultural recognition of startups like Facebook.
  - paultyng 13y ago
    MySQL and PHP both released in 1995 or so, there was a lot of movement in the "late 90's" so it really depends on where in there they are actually talking about.
  - peacelp 13y ago
    Excellent points...as the creator of the chart...I was not totally aware of that.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
So in 1995 I was the Director of Technology for a startup called "GolfWeb." Today that would be something like Ars Technica for golf, but at the time it was this new thing a "web magazine." That really nobody had any clue about. To serve it up we had a Sun machine that had a list price of $110,000 (we got it for $35,000 and some advertising deal with Sun), our T-1 line (1.544 Mbps bi-directional bandwidth) cost us $3,500 a month. The Cisco router we used on it was another $20,000. Our machine had a whopping 1.2 Gbytes of disk space available for editorial. The coverage of the Masters Tournament in 1996 did over a million page views per day (and nearly smoked our T-1 line). The next bump up was a T-3 line (45 Mbps) and it was $45,000 a month so we needed to get a lot better advertising if we were going to be able to support that cost. Today you could set up what we had for probably less than $100 a month. Think about that, in 1995 anywhere from $150,000 - $250,000 a month of "sales money" in terms of infrastructure value in supporting a web site, today about $1,200. Is it at all surprising that Sun is dead and the phone companies are the poorest source of IP transit access?
peacelp 13y ago
Actually it was supposed to be $5M. (I authored the chart)

costapopescu 13y ago

Fun fact: American Research and Development Corporation (ARDC) was one of the first venture capital firms founded in 1946 by Georges Doriot, the "father of venture capitalism" (former dean of Harvard Business School), Karl Compton (former president of MIT) and Ralph Flanders. ARDC is credited with the first major venture capital success story when its 1957 investment of $70,000 in Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) got valued at over $355 million after the company's IPO in 1968 (representing a return of over 1200 times on its investment and an annualized rate of return of 101%).