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HTML 5 sounds great, but until MS gets their act together and adds support for it... no dice.
by hunterjrj 17y ago
HTML 5 sounds great, but until MS gets their act together and adds support for it... no dice.
- hunterjrj 17y agoC'mon, I understand this site is "Hacker News", but with IE having an installed base of 42+%, you can't down vote me for pointing out the truth... (Source: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp)
- TweedHeads 17y agoFirefox, Safari, Opera and Chrome are working together on HTML5. That's consensus. Pull that way if you want, progress goes the other way... ...with or without IE
- showerst 17y agoIf Tesla, Lamborghini, and Ferrari start making all electric cars, but Ford doesn't, that's consensus right? Market share matters. Maybe for specialized hacker sites we can cater to only the good browsers, and graceful degradation is a must anyway, but it's a hard sell to build a successful mainstream site by eliminating 40% (or more) of users right off the bat.
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- TweedHeads 17y agoSome men move the world forward while others watch from the bleachers
- calambrac 17y agoThat's... such a wonderful comparison. Because we've never seen an apparently dominant American car company lose serious ground to competitors because it refused to pay attention to what consumers actually wanted, have we?
- cglee 17y ago...except in this case consumers couldn't care less about HTML5 or web standards.
- calambrac 17y agoConsumers care about car internals at anything more than a superficial level? If HTML5 is actually important to improving the end-user experience, if browsers that implement it have a real, demonstrable advantage over those that don't, then it doesn't matter if the consumer cares about HTML5 or not. They'll still want the results that technology enables.
- cglee 17y agoAbsolutely consumers care about the car's internals. Most people know a lot more about their cars than about web standards.
- calambrac 17y agoRight, the typical consumer can crank out exactly which relevant industry standards their car's internals adhere to. When consumers say they care about the internals of their cars, what they actually care about are things like power, fuel efficiency, torque, whatever. They have nothing more than a superficial understanding of how the actual mechanics of the vehicle translate into these qualities. Talking about V8 engines, etc, is, for the typical consumer, nothing more than marketing. HTML5 could certainly be a marketing device (5? That's one more than 4, it must be better!), especially if you showed end users cool things that web sites can do with HTML5 that they can't do with 4.
- cglee 17y agoI think that's where we disagree. I haven't come across any normal folk who even remotely cares about HTML version or javascript library, etc. I have however come across many people from various backgrounds talking about how different cars perform. edit: ultimately we'll probably need some numbers to back our claims. I've got way too many bugs to fix to do any significant digging. But I'm open to counterexamples if you can find some numbers.
- jdowdell 17y agoFAQ item... w3schools.com uses a self-selected sample, and most other surveys show IE still above 60% audience share. I agree with you, though, that it's weird to discriminate against such large audiences. jd/adobe
- tophat02 17y agoBut we can hope that it happens the other way around: what we need is a definitive "killer app" that can only be done given near native speed JS + HTML 5 capabilities. If it truly IS a killer app, it will kill IE in short order. We can dream, anyway.
- mncaudill 17y agoI think games will be a big step in that direction.
- mseebach 17y agoI'm wondering if it'd be practical to port Gecko or WebKit to Silverlight or Flex, so a site could simply launch itself in an embedded browser, transparently from inside IE?
- snprbob86 17y agoWhile a very interesting idea, I don't think it would be practical. Both platforms have some very strict sandbox regulations which would make it difficult.
- rgoddard 17y agoAt this point, if MS does not implement these features then it will fall further behind and lose relevance. There are enough people using non IE browsers, that one could create a new site leveraging these features and ignore the IE users, or provide a significantly downgraded experience. The thing is, it would not take much to do so. A couple of fun games here and there with some useful apps at a significantly reduced cost and there goes more of IE's market share.
- axod 17y agoJust ignore IE. It'll go away soon enough.