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As an intermediate haskeller (I use it for my business every day) his criticisms largely mirror mine. I found the quake codebase to be great in the 90s. I have

As an intermediate haskeller (I use it for my business every day) his criticisms largely mirror mine. I found the quake codebase to be great in the 90s. I have also found him more than most other developers to admit when thing didn't work out, specifically that doom 3 was c++ in name only and he didn't fully understand it. A scheme based language would have been better for most modders than quakeC.

boothead 13y ago
> As an intermediate haskeller Are you serious?! If you're only intermediate - then there's no hope for me!
- tel 13y ago
  That's one of the nice things about the Haskell community. The experts tend to be much, much better than in other places. There's much more depth there than memorization of quirks and ability to hold large numbers of arbitrary, disconnected pieces in your head all at once. So, while becoming an expert haskeller is enviable, intermediate still suggests an ability to tackle a Fantastic array of problems.
  - boothead 13y ago
    Indeed - it's definitely one of the best places to be if you like to be surrounded by incredibly talented, but also very humble folks. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the pool of wicked smart people who would love to build stuff in Haskell represents a significant opportunity to start ups right now. How have you found hiring for your company?
    - tel 13y ago
      I asked around speculatively and got great response. Right now we've got exactly the team we need, and I'm not too worried about hiring in the future.
- sseveran 13y ago
  Well while I can produce large swaths of elegant code when I need crazy instances I usually call upon my colleague for his invaluable assistance. I don't claim to be an expert in the language. Many people know much more about it than me.
  - orclev 13y ago
    I've been trying to come up with a general way to rank Haskell experience, and so far I've got: Beginner: Can read the basic syntax, knows about E.G. Monads and folds Intermediate: Understands and can use the more advanced classes like Applicative, Arrow, lenses, and how to use things like fix Advanced: ??? Makes new powerful classes/libraries like Pipe, Conduit, or Netwire? Can easily translate a problem domain into a concise and elegant type representation. Maybe there needs to be some more layers in there, I don't know... also the advanced level feels weak to me. I'm still somewhere between beginner and intermediate myself.
    - sseveran 13y ago
      Well I don't claim to understand the mathematical basis of Monads, and I don't use arrows and just started using applicative more often. Lenses rock and I have used those for a long time. I do build my own Monad Transformers so maybe I am still a beginning with intermediate tendencies. :-)
kazagistar 13y ago
There is a reason Lua has taken over so decisively: speed, simplicity, and good support for both functional and oo programming.

boothead 13y ago

> As an intermediate haskeller Are you serious?! If you're only intermediate - then there's no hope for me!

tel 13y ago
That's one of the nice things about the Haskell community. The experts tend to be much, much better than in other places. There's much more depth there than memorization of quirks and ability to hold large numbers of arbitrary, disconnected pieces in your head all at once. So, while becoming an expert haskeller is enviable, intermediate still suggests an ability to tackle a Fantastic array of problems.
- boothead 13y ago
  Indeed - it's definitely one of the best places to be if you like to be surrounded by incredibly talented, but also very humble folks. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the pool of wicked smart people who would love to build stuff in Haskell represents a significant opportunity to start ups right now. How have you found hiring for your company?
  - tel 13y ago
    I asked around speculatively and got great response. Right now we've got exactly the team we need, and I'm not too worried about hiring in the future.
sseveran 13y ago
Well while I can produce large swaths of elegant code when I need crazy instances I usually call upon my colleague for his invaluable assistance. I don't claim to be an expert in the language. Many people know much more about it than me.
- orclev 13y ago
  I've been trying to come up with a general way to rank Haskell experience, and so far I've got: Beginner: Can read the basic syntax, knows about E.G. Monads and folds Intermediate: Understands and can use the more advanced classes like Applicative, Arrow, lenses, and how to use things like fix Advanced: ??? Makes new powerful classes/libraries like Pipe, Conduit, or Netwire? Can easily translate a problem domain into a concise and elegant type representation. Maybe there needs to be some more layers in there, I don't know... also the advanced level feels weak to me. I'm still somewhere between beginner and intermediate myself.
  - sseveran 13y ago
    Well I don't claim to understand the mathematical basis of Monads, and I don't use arrows and just started using applicative more often. Lenses rock and I have used those for a long time. I do build my own Monad Transformers so maybe I am still a beginning with intermediate tendencies. :-)

kazagistar 13y ago

There is a reason Lua has taken over so decisively: speed, simplicity, and good support for both functional and oo programming.