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We didn't have this type of insurance at YC but now we're going to get it. So thanks for the tip Jason.

• 300bps 13y ago
  Group disability insurance is very often worthless and not worth even the paltry sum an employer pays for it. Disability insurance is all about the definition of disability. Only a few people have a truly comprehensive disability policy through their employer. This is because the definition of disability for group policies usually requires that, when making a disability claim, you cannot work in your job "or any other job" (or something to that effect). As as a result, you usually must be completely and totally disabled on a permanent basis to collect long term disability from your employer. http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Disability_insurance http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Disability_insurance Often, they don't kick in for 6 months and then because you're still able to sell pencils for 50 cents on the street corner they will not cover you. The reason why individual policies are typically much more expensive is because their definition of disability is different. Many individual policies are "true own occupation" which means that if you're now a neurosurgeon they can't force you to work at a McDonald's drive through.
  • tcas 13y ago
    My LTD is 60% of my income, tax free (very important, always pay for any disability post-tax, if you don't your income from it is taxable), until I am able to make over 80% of my pre disability income. It provides me benefits from 6 months after my disability (I decided not to pay for short term which starts at 2 weeks until 6), and will keep going until I am ~65 years old.
    • 300bps 13y ago
      Is it an "own occupation" policy? If not you have to be a vegetable before you can collect the 60% you signed up for.
      • tcas 13y ago
        Just double checked. It's own occupation for 24 months, then it becomes reasonable occupation. I have a feeling that that term is something that when 24 months approach, you want a good lawyer for. Still, considering I'm paying less than a coffee per month for LTD, and personally knowing someone who was once working as a top tier developer and got into a serious biking accident that left him with brain injuries, I'm going to buy into it. Next year I'm going to push HR about that 24 month clause.
        • kamaal 13y ago
          >>It's own occupation for 24 months, then it becomes reasonable occupation. Reasonable occupation is pretty vague and I think this kind of word-play is what helps insurance companies find reasons or even solid justifications to not pay up in the end. As your parent comment implied, the insurance company can just argue selling lemonade or pencils is a 'reasonable occupation' and can even prove there are people surviving daily on such a business. And all that can become a base reason to just not pay up.
          • dllthomas 13y ago
            Does anyone sell "insurer not paying" insurance to cover lawyer fees?
            • yebyen 13y ago
              This is actually what I thought OP was posting about when I was waiting for the page to load.
            • KMag 13y ago
              ... and "insurer of insurance not paying" insurance. It's insured turtles all the way down.
  • Eliezer 13y ago
    That's what I came to the comments section to check out - it seemed like a diamonds to doughnuts bet that unless the insurance provider has an exceedingly good reputation, one should assume that the secret to their policy is that they never really pay out.
  • lancewiggs 13y ago
    Yes. Read every clause of any insurance contract, and realise that the other party will fight to the word level to defend their default position of not paying out. Those clauses are very well thought out, and not by the buyer. In my own circumstances I've found many insurance contracts to be worthless in practice.
  • mildavw 13y ago
    I don't have it in front of me, but I recall the fine print on my policy stating that if they cover you, they will only bring your income up to 60% of your salary. If you are receiving other benefits, like social security disability, they subtract that from the payout.
• walshemj 13y ago
  Death in service (normally 3x salary) is another cheap benefit if the worst happens your partner wont have to deal with any debts (mortgage mainly).
  • ams6110 13y ago
    Term life insurance is very inexpensive for young people to buy on their own, unlike disability.
    • walshemj 13y ago
      True but you do have to plan for the oldies and the smug marrieds (to borrow from Bridget Jones)
      • ams6110 13y ago
        Old people generally don't need life insurance. Neither do singles with no dependents. Young married people with kids and a mortgage do, and it's pretty cheap because they're very unlikely to die during the policy term.
        • walshemj 13y ago
          What if they have a second marriage later in life I recall a case where I worked where a guy in his fifties died of a heart attack a few months after remarrying.
    • Ntrails 13y ago
      So? For 60 odd bucks a year per employee you can know that should something happen to one of your employees - you will have done something to ease the situation. The tone of the article seemed to be about doing something for your employees that, whether appreciated or not, is good for them and your own piece of mind. Taking care of them. Obviously it depends on size etc, but it seems like a good fit.
  • Spooky23 13y ago