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Comments like yours make my blood boil. > flying is a privilege, not a right Is taking a train a privilege, not a right? Driving? A bus? Would you be okay wit

by ilyanep 13y ago

Comments like yours make my blood boil. > flying is a privilege, not a right Is taking a train a privilege, not a right? Driving? A bus? Would you be okay with TSA-like screening procedures before any such sort of transportation? What makes flying so special? People have bombed trains, cars, busses, etc before too. > "The terrorists have won" because you had to go through a machine? I think it's time for the OP to step back, take a hard look at their life and wonder if they have their priorities straight. Maybe because our government has taught the citizenry that it's okay to be pre-emptively searched on planes, or stopped and frisked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_stop-and-frisk_program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_stop-and-frisk_pr...), or other such things. Meanwhile, the rent-a-cops operating these machines are basically given free reign to do whatever power tripping they want, because one wrong move can have you finding yourself detained for a while.

laureny 13y ago
> Is taking a train a privilege, not a right? Driving? A bus? Yes to all. If you're not quite sure how to determine if something is a privilege, just see if it's mentioned in the Constitution. For example, the "pursuit of happiness" is a US right. Driving a car is not (you need to get a license and that license can be revoked). Just because you grew up with such conveniences doesn't make them a privilege, although they have the effect of giving a sense of entitlement to people who've lost sight of what's important.
- Thrymr 13y ago
  See especially the 9th amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
moheeb 13y ago
Driving actually is a privilege. Hence the reason it can be taken away from you due to misconduct. People in the US agree with this practice. Every driver in the US has to pass a driving test in order to be legally allowed on the road. Is air travel somehow different? Maybe all you folks should be boiling your blood over the fact that you have to prove to the government you're capable of driving!
- ilyanep 13y ago
  You're right, driving was a bad example. That being said, it's silly to continue adding modes of transport to things that are "privileges, not rights" until people really have no real and significant freedom of movement. Perhaps my example should have been "walking around outside your house".
  - laureny 13y ago
    That's a slippery slope fallacy, let's stay away from these, please. Here is the deal: flying brings you conveniences and comes with inconveniences. It's entirely up to you which one outweighs the other, but whatever the choice you make, you can't claim that a right is being taken away from you if you are turned away from a flight. If you really think you have a case, call the ACLU and see them laugh at you.
    - ilyanep 13y ago
      Okay, but trains are legitimate ground, because the TSA has previously set up in the New York subway (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/travel/tsa-vipr-passenger-train-searches http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/travel/tsa-vipr-passenger-trai...). To some extent, stop-and-frisk (as I linked to above) means that there are governments in the country who feel that they can search you while you're walking around, so my bringing them up isn't that silly. Again I ask, what modes of transport are privileges and how many of them can we take away (not because you are incompetent at controlling them, but because you refused to subject yourself to a search) without completely destroying freedom of movement?

by ilyanep 13y ago

laureny 13y ago

> Is taking a train a privilege, not a right? Driving? A bus? Yes to all. If you're not quite sure how to determine if something is a privilege, just see if it's mentioned in the Constitution. For example, the "pursuit of happiness" is a US right. Driving a car is not (you need to get a license and that license can be revoked). Just because you grew up with such conveniences doesn't make them a privilege, although they have the effect of giving a sense of entitlement to people who've lost sight of what's important.

Thrymr 13y ago
See especially the 9th amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

moheeb 13y ago

Driving actually is a privilege. Hence the reason it can be taken away from you due to misconduct. People in the US agree with this practice. Every driver in the US has to pass a driving test in order to be legally allowed on the road. Is air travel somehow different? Maybe all you folks should be boiling your blood over the fact that you have to prove to the government you're capable of driving!

ilyanep 13y ago
You're right, driving was a bad example. That being said, it's silly to continue adding modes of transport to things that are "privileges, not rights" until people really have no real and significant freedom of movement. Perhaps my example should have been "walking around outside your house".
- laureny 13y ago
  That's a slippery slope fallacy, let's stay away from these, please. Here is the deal: flying brings you conveniences and comes with inconveniences. It's entirely up to you which one outweighs the other, but whatever the choice you make, you can't claim that a right is being taken away from you if you are turned away from a flight. If you really think you have a case, call the ACLU and see them laugh at you.
  - ilyanep 13y ago
    Okay, but trains are legitimate ground, because the TSA has previously set up in the New York subway (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/travel/tsa-vipr-passenger-train-searches http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/travel/tsa-vipr-passenger-trai...). To some extent, stop-and-frisk (as I linked to above) means that there are governments in the country who feel that they can search you while you're walking around, so my bringing them up isn't that silly. Again I ask, what modes of transport are privileges and how many of them can we take away (not because you are incompetent at controlling them, but because you refused to subject yourself to a search) without completely destroying freedom of movement?