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I do not object to anonymity for TCP clients in general. I've setup squid on AWS proxies when I've wanted anonymity, like in open wifi areas. People can set up

by leokun 13y ago

I do not object to anonymity for TCP clients in general. I've setup squid on AWS proxies when I've wanted anonymity, like in open wifi areas. People can set up VPNs or sign up to those services if they want to protect their network activity, which should all be sufficient for most use cases, including avoiding ISP monitoring your activity. Tor on the other hand is used to avoid law enforcement and government surveillance. I'm not a journalist, I'm not politically active, and I'm not engaged in criminal activity, and I'm not going to support something that can aid people avoid justice for their misdeeds. I think journalists should come up with their own solution that can't be taken advantage of by bad people who do bad things.

nknighthb 13y ago
So, let's dispense with the bill of rights, and let innocent people falsely accused of crimes come up with their own solution, 'cause we don't want to protect criminals' rights?
salgernon 13y ago
How would you feel if this anonymity were built into the networking protocols from the beginning? When the non-anonymous web first became popular and was used for child pornography and money laundering (as it still is) - did you object to using it? USPS or FedEx can also be used to (trivially) ship contraband material, even anonymously. I'm far more concerned about companies like Facebook tracking and recording my every activity than I am the NSA or law enforcement - I'm boring to the NSA, but my product research and online purchasing behaviors are pure gold to the corporate world.
chakalakasp 13y ago
Circa 1995: "I think researchers and computer scientists should come up with their own solution to display text and images that can't be exploited by bad people. I will never support the World Wide Web. Gopher all the way, baby!" A bit tongue in cheek, but lets be serious - there is no technology in existence that can't be exploited by bad people. Tor is a tool, it can be used for good or for naughty or for boring. Like most every other online tool or protocol out there.

by leokun 13y ago

nknighthb 13y ago

So, let's dispense with the bill of rights, and let innocent people falsely accused of crimes come up with their own solution, 'cause we don't want to protect criminals' rights?

salgernon 13y ago

How would you feel if this anonymity were built into the networking protocols from the beginning? When the non-anonymous web first became popular and was used for child pornography and money laundering (as it still is) - did you object to using it? USPS or FedEx can also be used to (trivially) ship contraband material, even anonymously. I'm far more concerned about companies like Facebook tracking and recording my every activity than I am the NSA or law enforcement - I'm boring to the NSA, but my product research and online purchasing behaviors are pure gold to the corporate world.

chakalakasp 13y ago

Circa 1995: "I think researchers and computer scientists should come up with their own solution to display text and images that can't be exploited by bad people. I will never support the World Wide Web. Gopher all the way, baby!" A bit tongue in cheek, but lets be serious - there is no technology in existence that can't be exploited by bad people. Tor is a tool, it can be used for good or for naughty or for boring. Like most every other online tool or protocol out there.