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as someone who recently moved TO the US - you are delusional. as if there is a magic, fairy place that is freedom and liberty and pixies. Asia? good luck, the

as someone who recently moved TO the US - you are delusional. as if there is a magic, fairy place that is freedom and liberty and pixies. Asia? good luck, the individual has awesome rights, try talking badly about the thai royalty for example. go on, please do. Europe? Just moved from there, great place. But if you're looking for the right to act out your individual freedom (which ends where it impacts the freedom of ours), then you're in for a suprise. US constitution does not apply there. No amendments. No pleading the fifth or other stuff. Maybe Somalia is the place for you. No one will force you through a milliwave scanner there.

jpwagner 13y ago
it's a shame that you draw a comparison between liberty and magic.
3pt14159 13y ago
Just off the top of my head, countries that are both freer and less insane: Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, New Zealand, Singapore, Estonia, Latvia, Switzerland. Freer in terms of personal freedom, civil rights, economic freedom. In the US you have: 1. Forced to sign up for the draft. 2. Your "Army Reserves" and "National Guard" DEPLOYED to fun places like Afghanistan on a rotating schedule. No they did not agree to it, reserves are meant to defend a country when it is attacked, not to be pulled into a regional conflicts. Canada for example, has reserves, but they arn't in Afghanistan unless they volunteer to. 3. Every call and email monitored. 4. A militarized police state. 5. Massive hidden intelligence budgets. 6. Drug sales by intelligence forces. 7. 5% of GDP just on the military, let alone "intelligence" and "security" (NSA / CIA / TSA / etc). 8. Private prisons with bribed judges. 9. 1% of men in jail, CURRENTLY (with more on parole). 10. 0.5% of women in jail. 11. Domestic drones. 12. Laws against using cryptography without registering it with the NSA. 13. The most aggressive fingerprint collection system out of any country in the world. 14. Unbearable licensing for alcohol, firearms, businesses, hair dressers (state dependent). 15. Project mockingbird (seriously wtf is the point of a "free press" if your own CIA has infiltrated it). 16. A do not fly list that has millions of people on it none of which can contest the reasons why. This is made worse since it was held up by the courts (under the guise that they can always take a train). In Canada we have less than a thousand people and there is a mechanism for challenging it. America only feels free while you are there and under the radar.
- pinaceae 13y ago
  oh boy, would you be surprised about NL and CH. you don't like the draft in the US, which never gets executed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland "Compulsory military service concerns all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable." you cite rules about firearms and business as a downside in the US? the most hilarious thing ever. come over to Europe, please, and try to buy a handgun. plus open a business. no fucking clue about the world, but spewing BS. talk to leftist/liberals in the countries you've listed, please do. they all complain about the very same things. we have had biometric passports here for a while now, etc. the big difference between the US and Europe? The US has the means to actually execute their ideas. the EU is slowly moving towards the US model by joining forces and sharing resources.
  - 3pt14159 13y ago
    I have seen more of the world than you would guess, and there is this FUD all over the place. I was on the fence about including Switzerland, but their banking law and gun law is much more sane than the US. The draft in the states was used in Vietnam. Opening a business in ALL of Europe is hard (especially France) but in most of the countries I listed it is easy. Stop grouping all of Europe into one big thing. Biometric passports are horrible, but the US requires it for certain forms of visitation.
    - pinaceae 13y ago
      the draft was used in Vietnam, and since then? not like the US ran out of wars. what the hell are you trying to prove? and for the record, I am European, Austrian in fact. and the US is now requiring it's own citizens to use the biometric passport? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#Countries_using_biometric_passports http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#Countries_us... now how about that. "NL Passports issued from 21 September 2009 include fingerprints. Dutch identity cards are lookalike versions of the holder's page of the passport and contain the same biometric information." You're misinformed and wrong, but you'll never admit it. Whatever.

jpwagner 13y ago

it's a shame that you draw a comparison between liberty and magic.

3pt14159 13y ago

Just off the top of my head, countries that are both freer and less insane: Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, New Zealand, Singapore, Estonia, Latvia, Switzerland. Freer in terms of personal freedom, civil rights, economic freedom. In the US you have: 1. Forced to sign up for the draft. 2. Your "Army Reserves" and "National Guard" DEPLOYED to fun places like Afghanistan on a rotating schedule. No they did not agree to it, reserves are meant to defend a country when it is attacked, not to be pulled into a regional conflicts. Canada for example, has reserves, but they arn't in Afghanistan unless they volunteer to. 3. Every call and email monitored. 4. A militarized police state. 5. Massive hidden intelligence budgets. 6. Drug sales by intelligence forces. 7. 5% of GDP just on the military, let alone "intelligence" and "security" (NSA / CIA / TSA / etc). 8. Private prisons with bribed judges. 9. 1% of men in jail, CURRENTLY (with more on parole). 10. 0.5% of women in jail. 11. Domestic drones. 12. Laws against using cryptography without registering it with the NSA. 13. The most aggressive fingerprint collection system out of any country in the world. 14. Unbearable licensing for alcohol, firearms, businesses, hair dressers (state dependent). 15. Project mockingbird (seriously wtf is the point of a "free press" if your own CIA has infiltrated it). 16. A do not fly list that has millions of people on it none of which can contest the reasons why. This is made worse since it was held up by the courts (under the guise that they can always take a train). In Canada we have less than a thousand people and there is a mechanism for challenging it. America only feels free while you are there and under the radar.

pinaceae 13y ago
oh boy, would you be surprised about NL and CH. you don't like the draft in the US, which never gets executed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland "Compulsory military service concerns all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable." you cite rules about firearms and business as a downside in the US? the most hilarious thing ever. come over to Europe, please, and try to buy a handgun. plus open a business. no fucking clue about the world, but spewing BS. talk to leftist/liberals in the countries you've listed, please do. they all complain about the very same things. we have had biometric passports here for a while now, etc. the big difference between the US and Europe? The US has the means to actually execute their ideas. the EU is slowly moving towards the US model by joining forces and sharing resources.
- 3pt14159 13y ago
  I have seen more of the world than you would guess, and there is this FUD all over the place. I was on the fence about including Switzerland, but their banking law and gun law is much more sane than the US. The draft in the states was used in Vietnam. Opening a business in ALL of Europe is hard (especially France) but in most of the countries I listed it is easy. Stop grouping all of Europe into one big thing. Biometric passports are horrible, but the US requires it for certain forms of visitation.
  - pinaceae 13y ago
    the draft was used in Vietnam, and since then? not like the US ran out of wars. what the hell are you trying to prove? and for the record, I am European, Austrian in fact. and the US is now requiring it's own citizens to use the biometric passport? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#Countries_using_biometric_passports http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#Countries_us... now how about that. "NL Passports issued from 21 September 2009 include fingerprints. Dutch identity cards are lookalike versions of the holder's page of the passport and contain the same biometric information." You're misinformed and wrong, but you'll never admit it. Whatever.