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This seems like a nice idea, but the developers of Firefox have made it more than known they would prefer to argue the inclusion and removal of version numbers

This seems like a nice idea, but the developers of Firefox have made it more than known they would prefer to argue the inclusion and removal of version numbers as opposed to actual issues. Look how long it took them to fix the memory leaks that plagued the browser since version 2 and were only not long fixed? It's easy enough to set Tor up with Firefox yourself. Perhaps all that is needed is an easy to understand and access Tor guide. Perhaps the first page you see upon loading Firefox after installing or updating is a, "We recommend you use Tor for a safer browsing experience" and then give some scenarios where Tor should and shouldn't be used.

marijn 13y ago
Whenever I see this kind of poorly-informed bashing of the Mozilla team (always mentioning "the memory leaks") I can't help but wonder how the author would do building and maintaining a piece of software as big and complex as a modern Web browser. The thing to note is that these issues were fixed and Firefox is still a competitive, solid browser.
- DigitalSea 13y ago
  It's well-intentioned bashing if you want to slap a label on it. I am one of the few that still use Firefox, I've used it since the beginning more or less and the memory leaks issue you attempt to downplay was a very real issue that plagued the browser for so long when Chrome came along and sanboxed everything, separate process and was super fast people jumped ship faster than the Titanic. The argument of turning around someone's opinion and asking how they would fix and maintain the problem is an exhausted counterargument that has no validity. It wasn't the Mozilla team didn't have the smarts to fix the memory leaks, it's the fact they denied there was even a problem for so long. It's all about prioritising what you work on. So if I had any involvement in Mozilla and Firefox's development, I would be prioritising what's important and what isn't. This place has really changed. You can't give your opinion on something without being down-voted into oblivion, even if your opinion is well-intentioned and constructive. My comment wasn't negative, it was my opinion. I didn't bash anyone, I'm sick of this place misconstruing other peoples comments (a frequent occurrence from what I've noticed).
bzbarsky 13y ago
Setting up tor as in using the Tor proxy is easy enough. Setting it up so it's actually not leaking information that would identify you is hard-to-impossible. See the things the Tor Browser Bundle ends up doing (including changes to C++ Gecko code!).

marijn 13y ago

Whenever I see this kind of poorly-informed bashing of the Mozilla team (always mentioning "the memory leaks") I can't help but wonder how the author would do building and maintaining a piece of software as big and complex as a modern Web browser. The thing to note is that these issues were fixed and Firefox is still a competitive, solid browser.

DigitalSea 13y ago
It's well-intentioned bashing if you want to slap a label on it. I am one of the few that still use Firefox, I've used it since the beginning more or less and the memory leaks issue you attempt to downplay was a very real issue that plagued the browser for so long when Chrome came along and sanboxed everything, separate process and was super fast people jumped ship faster than the Titanic. The argument of turning around someone's opinion and asking how they would fix and maintain the problem is an exhausted counterargument that has no validity. It wasn't the Mozilla team didn't have the smarts to fix the memory leaks, it's the fact they denied there was even a problem for so long. It's all about prioritising what you work on. So if I had any involvement in Mozilla and Firefox's development, I would be prioritising what's important and what isn't. This place has really changed. You can't give your opinion on something without being down-voted into oblivion, even if your opinion is well-intentioned and constructive. My comment wasn't negative, it was my opinion. I didn't bash anyone, I'm sick of this place misconstruing other peoples comments (a frequent occurrence from what I've noticed).

bzbarsky 13y ago

Setting up tor as in using the Tor proxy is easy enough. Setting it up so it's actually not leaking information that would identify you is hard-to-impossible. See the things the Tor Browser Bundle ends up doing (including changes to C++ Gecko code!).