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People said we'd never release Parrot 1.0 either (people said that as recently as November) -- but why speculate when you can measure? We released Parrot 1.0 i

People said we'd never release Parrot 1.0 either (people said that as recently as November) -- but why speculate when you can measure? We released Parrot 1.0 in March. We released Parrot 1.1 in April. We released Parrot 1.2 in May. We'll release Parrot 2.0 in January 2010 and Parrot 3.0 in January 2011. Keep that in mind as you look at the daily Rakudo status reports. As of last week, Rakudo passed 68% of the current spectests. The passing test velocity has only increased this year.

rjurney 17y ago
Calling it Parrot 1.0 doesn't mean its stable. You can call it 10.0, doesn't mean people are gonna switch. I'm not as well informed as you, but I'm just really skeptical about a 10 year old project shipping 1.0. I'm pissed off that Perl has died in the meanwhile. Something went terribly wrong and the language was mis-managed.
- chromatic 17y ago
  What else would we call Parrot 1.0? We believe that Parrot 1.0 represents a stable platform on which people can start to build compilers. It's not a finished platform (which is why we continue to produce new releases), but we have a documented and well-understood deprecation policy. We'll add new features, but we believe that the current set of features in Parrot 1.0 is sufficient to build a workable language. (As for the question of "Is Perl dead?", the rate of uploads to the CPAN certainly disagrees. That's a measurable data point. I won't address the question of Perl 5's release policy and backwards compatibility concerns here; I've discussed them at length elsewhere.)
  - rjurney 17y ago
    Why didn't Perl 6 just use the JVM? Why did you decide to build Parrot? As to CPAN uploads: Nobody I know under 30 in Atlanta knows Perl. I'm not exaggerating. Thats the important data point to me.
    - Zaak 17y ago
      > Why didn't Perl 6 just use the JVM? Why did you decide to build Parrot? http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=142797 http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=142797
    - brunov 17y ago
      I'm 24 and I code in Perl 5. Do I count in your poll, or do I have to live in Atlanta?
      - rjurney 17y ago
        If I said nobody whatsoever under 30 codes Perl, you would count in my poll. I said nobody I know. I realize there are some of you, but you must know that there aren't many of you, right?
        brunov 17y ago
        Ok, here's your premise: Perl is dying. And here's your argument: I don't know anyone below thirty in Atlanta that uses it. Don't you actually see where your logic slipped? Sure, CPAN having doubled their upload rates last year doesn't mean anything, but the few young acquaintances of your personal social circle really add up to your statistically proved statement.
        rjurney 17y ago
        Are you even saying I'm wrong, though? Do YOU know a lot of young Perl devs, eagerly adopting Perl? Does anyone?
        brunov 17y ago
        Yes, I think you are wrong, Perl is not dying. Do I know young Perl devs, personally? No, but that is also true for every other language (I don't know any other programmer personally, odd no?). But what would that prove anyway? It's too small of a sample size to reach any conclusion. And, as jrockway said, there are lots of young Perl coders out there, they just don't happen to be my neighbors.

rjurney 17y ago

Calling it Parrot 1.0 doesn't mean its stable. You can call it 10.0, doesn't mean people are gonna switch. I'm not as well informed as you, but I'm just really skeptical about a 10 year old project shipping 1.0. I'm pissed off that Perl has died in the meanwhile. Something went terribly wrong and the language was mis-managed.

chromatic 17y ago
What else would we call Parrot 1.0? We believe that Parrot 1.0 represents a stable platform on which people can start to build compilers. It's not a finished platform (which is why we continue to produce new releases), but we have a documented and well-understood deprecation policy. We'll add new features, but we believe that the current set of features in Parrot 1.0 is sufficient to build a workable language. (As for the question of "Is Perl dead?", the rate of uploads to the CPAN certainly disagrees. That's a measurable data point. I won't address the question of Perl 5's release policy and backwards compatibility concerns here; I've discussed them at length elsewhere.)
- rjurney 17y ago
  Why didn't Perl 6 just use the JVM? Why did you decide to build Parrot? As to CPAN uploads: Nobody I know under 30 in Atlanta knows Perl. I'm not exaggerating. Thats the important data point to me.
  - Zaak 17y ago
    > Why didn't Perl 6 just use the JVM? Why did you decide to build Parrot? http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=142797 http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=142797
  - brunov 17y ago
    I'm 24 and I code in Perl 5. Do I count in your poll, or do I have to live in Atlanta?
    - rjurney 17y ago
      If I said nobody whatsoever under 30 codes Perl, you would count in my poll. I said nobody I know. I realize there are some of you, but you must know that there aren't many of you, right?
      - brunov 17y ago
        Ok, here's your premise: Perl is dying. And here's your argument: I don't know anyone below thirty in Atlanta that uses it. Don't you actually see where your logic slipped? Sure, CPAN having doubled their upload rates last year doesn't mean anything, but the few young acquaintances of your personal social circle really add up to your statistically proved statement.
        rjurney 17y ago
        Are you even saying I'm wrong, though? Do YOU know a lot of young Perl devs, eagerly adopting Perl? Does anyone?
        brunov 17y ago
        Yes, I think you are wrong, Perl is not dying. Do I know young Perl devs, personally? No, but that is also true for every other language (I don't know any other programmer personally, odd no?). But what would that prove anyway? It's too small of a sample size to reach any conclusion. And, as jrockway said, there are lots of young Perl coders out there, they just don't happen to be my neighbors.