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Those demoscene guys are probably some of the most impressive programmers I've ever seen. It's amazing the kind of visual displays they can produce with just 4

Those demoscene guys are probably some of the most impressive programmers I've ever seen. It's amazing the kind of visual displays they can produce with just 4kb or 64kb of code.

ekianjo 13y ago
Yes but this has nothing to do with the video at hand. Most of the time the 4kb and 64kb demos are using procedural algorithms to fit in small amounts of memory, and with modern PCs it's kind of cheating because they use system libraries which are much bigger than 64kb in the first place. Here, what's impressive is the ability to render video full speed on something AS SLOW as the first 8088. Pretty cool.
- spullara 13y ago
  I think the OP was talking about the real demo scene like on the c64 or Amiga rather than on the PC.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    Which were working in the same as the parent describes for the PC.
    - MichaelGG 13y ago
      I'm pretty sure DirectX and OpenGL provide significantly more function calls and capabilities than 8-bit machines did.
      - ekianjo 13y ago
        > I'm pretty sure DirectX and OpenGL provide significantly more function calls You bet! Small demos on PC are seriously no feat anymore, since they have so many dependencies. I don't even bother looking at these kind of competitions anymore, as the size requirement has no meaning anymore. Big, fat demos are more interesting that that aspect: what can you do if you don't have any limits? ASD is one of the key players in that area.
- fuzzix 13y ago
  Here's a presentation from Notcon '04 which shows FMV on the ZX Spectrum, arguably even more limited than the original PC/XT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhpN0vcHH9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhpN0vcHH9c You can see the video itself around 6:30 in.
  - agentultra 13y ago
    I remember seeing the first demos of streaming video off an XT back around '03/'04 iirc. Friend of mine at the time had collected about four of the machines. Full-size disk drives are real beasts! Needless to say the project that never happened was to write a little program to control all four from a central PC by signalling over the unused serial pin or something... never happened, but would have been lots of fun. Cool stuff and thanks for the link! :D
ksk 13y ago
People used to write entire operating systems in that amount of code ;)
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Those demoscene guys are probably some of the most impressive programmers I've ever seen. It's amazing the kind of visual displays they can produce with just 4kb or 64kb of code.

ekianjo 13y ago

Yes but this has nothing to do with the video at hand. Most of the time the 4kb and 64kb demos are using procedural algorithms to fit in small amounts of memory, and with modern PCs it's kind of cheating because they use system libraries which are much bigger than 64kb in the first place. Here, what's impressive is the ability to render video full speed on something AS SLOW as the first 8088. Pretty cool.

spullara 13y ago
I think the OP was talking about the real demo scene like on the c64 or Amiga rather than on the PC.
- coldtea 13y ago
  Which were working in the same as the parent describes for the PC.
  - MichaelGG 13y ago
    I'm pretty sure DirectX and OpenGL provide significantly more function calls and capabilities than 8-bit machines did.
    - ekianjo 13y ago
      > I'm pretty sure DirectX and OpenGL provide significantly more function calls You bet! Small demos on PC are seriously no feat anymore, since they have so many dependencies. I don't even bother looking at these kind of competitions anymore, as the size requirement has no meaning anymore. Big, fat demos are more interesting that that aspect: what can you do if you don't have any limits? ASD is one of the key players in that area.
fuzzix 13y ago
Here's a presentation from Notcon '04 which shows FMV on the ZX Spectrum, arguably even more limited than the original PC/XT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhpN0vcHH9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhpN0vcHH9c You can see the video itself around 6:30 in.
- agentultra 13y ago
  I remember seeing the first demos of streaming video off an XT back around '03/'04 iirc. Friend of mine at the time had collected about four of the machines. Full-size disk drives are real beasts! Needless to say the project that never happened was to write a little program to control all four from a central PC by signalling over the unused serial pin or something... never happened, but would have been lots of fun. Cool stuff and thanks for the link! :D

ksk 13y ago

People used to write entire operating systems in that amount of code ;)

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