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I am kind of keen to see numbers on the negative impact this program has had on the (American) cloud and Internet industry. I know a handful of companies in Eur

I am kind of keen to see numbers on the negative impact this program has had on the (American) cloud and Internet industry. I know a handful of companies in Europe and Asia who moved away from Google and Rackspace lately and set-up/revived their own machines. My best guess is that the monetary loss due to this whole forceful invasion of privacy would be in order of billions (I am just guessing here; would be great if someone could point me to a thoroughly researched number though). This cost is apart from the bazillion sunk money that the US/UK Government put in to get hold data from the trunk, set up data center of NSA etc. All to just get hold of less than 50 so-called potential murderers (Avoiding the T-word!). Looking at the cost of the whole thing and the stupidity of the presented picture, I think purpose of PRISM is already lot more than just curbing terrorism.

Buzaga 13y ago
I think the impact will be bigger in the long term, I myself, as a brasilian, atheist, bit fair skinned, know I'm probably not a 'target'(although the left-leaning probably makes me a potential, cause I'm not sheep), but it still doesn't feel right that my data and privacy is free-to-snoop because it violates rights I have here, I had this right since birth according to my constituition and this is a fact. It is absolutely and completely indecent, it doesn't matter any analogies made like 'intelligence have always done this in every country', this is just distorting and repositioning and obviously The Internet is a whole different thing and should be treated as such, no explanation or justification will make this right ever. I've not moved out of a lot of services YET, but people around the world are certainly moving their sticks to provide options, it's now also a market, not just idealism, political positioning.. they'll arrive and I'll certainly and happily go, and maybe try taking the opportunity myself, why not? Think of a good leader, he's respected and followed because people trust him, trust him to that position, but it's a fragile thing and after it's broken, it's broken. There's a vacuum.. and naturally it's got to be filled
mason240 13y ago
I really pisses me off to that the US government is going to throw away our hegemony over the internet in exchange for a surveillance state.
samstave 13y ago
I build and deploy openstack private/public clouds and our business is booming. Personally, I think the important lesson here is to see that the barrier to entry to deploy your own cloud, of any size, is extremely low at this point. Personally, this has galvanized me to figure out a way to help people deploy their own, secure, micro-cloud stacks with the ability to deploy your own services. I'd love to chat with HNers about this - as I believe there is a whole new market, industry opening up at this point; Fractalization of the web.
- monsterix 13y ago
  > ... the barrier to entry to deploy your own cloud, of any size, is extremely low at this point. > as I believe there is a whole new market, industry opening up at this point; Fractalization of the web. Totally agree. And it could be state-of-the-art, methinks! I'd say decentralization is of extreme importance and also a way for people to converse with static/dynamic IPs (lol). What stack do you recommend to say a bootstrapping startup of say less than 10 people?
  - samstave 13y ago
    The number of people in your organization is irrelevant, but rather what services you're looking for. Clearly, any organization can leverage AWS and any number of other cloud providers. But - if you want to build your own cloud, then I do recommend OpenStack. I also recommend that you bring external consulting to get you launched quickly where your dev-ops folks can get familiar. go to fuel.mirantis.com to see how to get a tool that allows you to very quickly and easily put up a stack. Also, read http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/ http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/ as this is where most people are going from a storage perspective. Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss more.
  - samstave 13y ago
    It appears you were being fascetious based on a misinterpretation of what I said about "fractalization of the web" Thinking that I was proposing "cloud" as some new thing... Maybe you don't understand what I meant?

Buzaga 13y ago

I think the impact will be bigger in the long term, I myself, as a brasilian, atheist, bit fair skinned, know I'm probably not a 'target'(although the left-leaning probably makes me a potential, cause I'm not sheep), but it still doesn't feel right that my data and privacy is free-to-snoop because it violates rights I have here, I had this right since birth according to my constituition and this is a fact. It is absolutely and completely indecent, it doesn't matter any analogies made like 'intelligence have always done this in every country', this is just distorting and repositioning and obviously The Internet is a whole different thing and should be treated as such, no explanation or justification will make this right ever. I've not moved out of a lot of services YET, but people around the world are certainly moving their sticks to provide options, it's now also a market, not just idealism, political positioning.. they'll arrive and I'll certainly and happily go, and maybe try taking the opportunity myself, why not? Think of a good leader, he's respected and followed because people trust him, trust him to that position, but it's a fragile thing and after it's broken, it's broken. There's a vacuum.. and naturally it's got to be filled

mason240 13y ago

I really pisses me off to that the US government is going to throw away our hegemony over the internet in exchange for a surveillance state.

samstave 13y ago

I build and deploy openstack private/public clouds and our business is booming. Personally, I think the important lesson here is to see that the barrier to entry to deploy your own cloud, of any size, is extremely low at this point. Personally, this has galvanized me to figure out a way to help people deploy their own, secure, micro-cloud stacks with the ability to deploy your own services. I'd love to chat with HNers about this - as I believe there is a whole new market, industry opening up at this point; Fractalization of the web.

monsterix 13y ago
> ... the barrier to entry to deploy your own cloud, of any size, is extremely low at this point. > as I believe there is a whole new market, industry opening up at this point; Fractalization of the web. Totally agree. And it could be state-of-the-art, methinks! I'd say decentralization is of extreme importance and also a way for people to converse with static/dynamic IPs (lol). What stack do you recommend to say a bootstrapping startup of say less than 10 people?
- samstave 13y ago
  The number of people in your organization is irrelevant, but rather what services you're looking for. Clearly, any organization can leverage AWS and any number of other cloud providers. But - if you want to build your own cloud, then I do recommend OpenStack. I also recommend that you bring external consulting to get you launched quickly where your dev-ops folks can get familiar. go to fuel.mirantis.com to see how to get a tool that allows you to very quickly and easily put up a stack. Also, read http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/ http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/ as this is where most people are going from a storage perspective. Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss more.
- samstave 13y ago
  It appears you were being fascetious based on a misinterpretation of what I said about "fractalization of the web" Thinking that I was proposing "cloud" as some new thing... Maybe you don't understand what I meant?