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So if they're getting money directly from the NSA, it's hard for them to claim that they were in the dark as far as allowing the NSA direct access to their data
by kaonashi 13y ago
So if they're getting money directly from the NSA, it's hard for them to claim that they were in the dark as far as allowing the NSA direct access to their data.
- wmf 13y agoThey're just going to keep moving the goalposts about the definition of "direct".
- diminoten 13y agoSo if you buy a hot dog from someone, are you now unable to claim you hired them to kill your wife? The NSA could have paid for a lot of things besides "direct access to Google's data", as you claim. There are hundreds of shades of gray here.
- kaonashi 13y agoThey paid for Prism compliance. The Prism program entails access to the data.
- diminoten 13y agoSince when does 'access' mean 'direct access'?
- joshfraser 13y agoRemember when Gmail got hacked by the Chinese? It was reported at the time that they were using the interface that Google had set up for the US government to get access to user emails. They don't need a warrant to view email headers or emails that are more than 6 months old. Link: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hackin...
- diminoten 13y ago> They don't need a warrant to view email headers or emails that are more than 6 months old. Interesting you say that, because in the article you linked, it says this: > In order to comply with government search warrants on user data Can you explain this discrepancy?
- falk 13y agoRead these for more information on the six months rule. It's rather ridiculous and I didn't believe it when I first heard about it. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/ecpa-turns-twenty-five/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/ecpa-turns-twenty-f... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act
- diminoten 13y agoOkay, but how does this make Google incapable of saying they didn't know the NSA had direct access to their data?
- kaonashi 13y agoSince when does using the weasel word 'direct' entail any functional difference?
- diminoten 13y agoSince 'direct' means 'without Google interaction'. It's a different scenario if the government just goes into your email and pulls your info, vs. if they request the info and Google has the ability to deny/verify validity of the request.
- kaonashi 13y agoIs that what direct implies in this context? AFAIK it was never defined; i.e. having access to a bit-for-bit copy of their database wouldn't necessarily be 'direct'.
- diminoten 13y agoIt's defined by the English meaning of the term. If there are layers between you and something, that is not direct. The end.