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You are inventing absurd definitions of gambling to support your incorrect, defeated argument. The fact that one will usually lose money with that site does no

You are inventing absurd definitions of gambling to support your incorrect, defeated argument. The fact that one will usually lose money with that site does not change the fact that the winner is the person willing to spend the most money. "I would point out that they sometimes run 'special' auctions where the 'auction' price is free, and all you pay is the bid price. In that case there is 0 ability to 'win'; it's straight-up gambling." If there is no cost of entry then it isn't a gamble, because a gamble requires you to risk money. Quit inventing definitions to support your defeated argument. "I'm not sure what metric you would prefer, but if you feel it's dumb and not gambling, I would invite you to try it. Me? I'll be over here, not trying it. I can work the math. But feel free to let us know how it goes." That is a red herring. Correctly pointing out the fact that it is not a gamble, does not mean that I think it is a wise use of my money. Do not use such intellectually dishonest tactics to try to change the subject from your failed argument to one that I did not address. You are conflating the inability to control the price with the inability to control the outcome.

jibiki 17y ago
> If there is no cost of entry then it isn't a gamble, because a gamble requires you to risk money. No. He said that they only charge you for the bids, and not for the item, in these special auctions. So if you bid twice and win, you pay only 2 x $0.15, whereas normally you would pay 2 x $0.15 + whatever your highest bid was (I hadn't heard about these special auctions before, it seems like people would just keep bidding forever.)
diego 17y ago
Gambling is betting on an uncertain outcome. The uncertainty is not in whether you can the item (you can get it if you keep bidding forever). What's uncertain is whether you will get the item for less than its value. This is what makes it a gamble. You define the outcome as winning the auction. That's dishonest. The outcome is whether you'll spend more or less than buying the item outright at retail price, which is what you are competing against.
jerf 17y ago
"You are inventing absurd definitions of gambling to support your incorrect, defeated argument." Are you a politician or something? That is an incredibly dishonest phrase to use and you should be downvoted for that alone. (Though I note with some pleasure it hasn't seemed to have worked.) I'm pretty comfortable with this definition of gambling. You are not in control. Part of the scam is that you think you are. But you are not. Your comprehension is being successfully hacked. Try it. Since you apparently won't understand until you do, try it. Then get back to me. See just how much control you have.

jibiki 17y ago

> If there is no cost of entry then it isn't a gamble, because a gamble requires you to risk money. No. He said that they only charge you for the bids, and not for the item, in these special auctions. So if you bid twice and win, you pay only 2 x $0.15, whereas normally you would pay 2 x $0.15 + whatever your highest bid was (I hadn't heard about these special auctions before, it seems like people would just keep bidding forever.)

diego 17y ago

Gambling is betting on an uncertain outcome. The uncertainty is not in whether you can the item (you can get it if you keep bidding forever). What's uncertain is whether you will get the item for less than its value. This is what makes it a gamble. You define the outcome as winning the auction. That's dishonest. The outcome is whether you'll spend more or less than buying the item outright at retail price, which is what you are competing against.

jerf 17y ago

"You are inventing absurd definitions of gambling to support your incorrect, defeated argument." Are you a politician or something? That is an incredibly dishonest phrase to use and you should be downvoted for that alone. (Though I note with some pleasure it hasn't seemed to have worked.) I'm pretty comfortable with this definition of gambling. You are not in control. Part of the scam is that you think you are. But you are not. Your comprehension is being successfully hacked. Try it. Since you apparently won't understand until you do, try it. Then get back to me. See just how much control you have.