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Sorry, we haven't had a chance to update the docs yet - we didn't want to hold the release any longer. It's at the top of my priority list as soon as I get done

by ibdknox 13y ago

Sorry, we haven't had a chance to update the docs yet - we didn't want to hold the release any longer. It's at the top of my priority list as soon as I get done moving apartments this weekend. ctlr-o is the equivalent of ctrl-p in sublime or ctrl-t in textmate. It shows you the files available in your workspace. It used to tell you how to add files to your workspace when it was empty but that seems to have gotten nuked. [1] If you go to view->workspace you have a tree you can then fill in with folders and files. Click the folder button and off you go. I'll add a menu item for opening a folder. [2] > if the browser tab has focus, cmd-shift-o dialog will not show (as I'm asked to do in the docs) Unfortunately this depends on whether the site tries to be clever and capture keys, though, there could just be a regular bug here. Will take a look. > control-tab doesn't switch between tabs Ah, I used chrome's default ctrl-shift-[ and ctrl-shift-]. Makes sense to add that one too though. [3] > what is the relationship between this browser window and my js file? If you press ctrl-enter or ctrl-shift-enter you have now evaled that file into that browser window. Any time you eval again, you'll be injecting code into that frame. > Sublime may have help somewhere, but since it works just like every other desktop program I've never needed to refer to it. Can you tell me more about what's missing here? Are there specific menu items, etc? If you tried to use it just like Sublime (as in none of the other fancy stuff), what is harder/more difficult to wrap your head around? [1]: https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/695 https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/695 [2]: https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/694 https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/694 [3]: https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/697 https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/issues/697

SpikeMeister 13y ago
Perhaps ctrl+pgup and ctrl+pgdn for switching tabs as well? It's a common shortcut in most tabbed interfaces.
- graue 13y ago
  Yup, this is the one I'm used to and it weirds me out when it's not supported. Apparently unheard of on OS X though, which is probably why so many web devs make sites that break it by stealing PgUp/PgDn.
RaphiePS 13y ago
How exactly do you add a watch? Is it a key-combo?
Tuna-Fish 13y ago
> Ah, I used chrome's default ctrl-shift-[ and ctrl-shift-] Note that [ and ] are hard to type with modifiers on most non-English keyboards. It's very unadvisable to use a default binding of [+anything for anything, because if you have any international traction, a third of your users will have to rebind it.
graue 13y ago
Hey Chris, you mentioned watching people use Light Table, but have you done any full usability studies? At the startup where I work (also aimed mostly at programmers), we've had great luck with usability studies. Basic idea: bring in 3 or 4 programmers who've never seen Light Table before, explain that you're testing the app and not them, and ask them to perform a few simple editing tasks without help, narrating their thought process, while you watch and take notes. It can be painful to watch people struggle the first time you do a study, but you learn a lot about what people find confusing in your app — and how you can make it better. Then fix the biggest issues you identify and do another study in a month. I've seen this approach yield massive improvements, and I bet it would for you too.
canthonytucci 13y ago
you sir, are a champ. I'm going to keep playing and working with this thing. I wish you all the best. thanks for your help.

by ibdknox 13y ago

SpikeMeister 13y ago

Perhaps ctrl+pgup and ctrl+pgdn for switching tabs as well? It's a common shortcut in most tabbed interfaces.

graue 13y ago
Yup, this is the one I'm used to and it weirds me out when it's not supported. Apparently unheard of on OS X though, which is probably why so many web devs make sites that break it by stealing PgUp/PgDn.

RaphiePS 13y ago

How exactly do you add a watch? Is it a key-combo?

Tuna-Fish 13y ago

> Ah, I used chrome's default ctrl-shift-[ and ctrl-shift-] Note that [ and ] are hard to type with modifiers on most non-English keyboards. It's very unadvisable to use a default binding of [+anything for anything, because if you have any international traction, a third of your users will have to rebind it.

graue 13y ago

Hey Chris, you mentioned watching people use Light Table, but have you done any full usability studies? At the startup where I work (also aimed mostly at programmers), we've had great luck with usability studies. Basic idea: bring in 3 or 4 programmers who've never seen Light Table before, explain that you're testing the app and not them, and ask them to perform a few simple editing tasks without help, narrating their thought process, while you watch and take notes. It can be painful to watch people struggle the first time you do a study, but you learn a lot about what people find confusing in your app — and how you can make it better. Then fix the biggest issues you identify and do another study in a month. I've seen this approach yield massive improvements, and I bet it would for you too.

canthonytucci 13y ago

you sir, are a champ. I'm going to keep playing and working with this thing. I wish you all the best. thanks for your help.