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Hopefully this thread won't degenerate into anti-transgender comments like so many others today. Obviously Manning has needed mental health treatment for quite

by jstalin 13y ago

Hopefully this thread won't degenerate into anti-transgender comments like so many others today. Obviously Manning has needed mental health treatment for quite some time. Hopefully he can get what he needs while in prison. It's just too bad that prison is where he has to go to get help.

davidcollantes 13y ago
"It's just too bad that prison is where he has to go to get help." Why do you say that? Before now, he[she] lived a life, with plenty of opportunities to get help, or help him[her]self.
- jstalin 13y ago
  He acted out while in the Army, obviously behaving in a way that showed his superiors that he needed help, yet they did nothing. He was even busted back down to PFC from SPC. Yet, they put him back on the job. On top of that, he was living in the "don't ask don't tell" world of the military at the time, risking discharge for admitting that he was gay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Deployment_to_Iraq.2C_discussion_with_counselor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Deployment_to_...
  - davidcollantes 13y ago
    He was not born in the Army, mate.
    - drakeandrews 13y ago
      s/he/she
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - drakeandrews 13y ago
    s/he/she s/him/her
    - ianmcstorm 13y ago
      Who gives a fuck?
      - aspensmonster 13y ago
        Well, apparently Manning gives a fuck. Who has also taken on the name Chelsea now. >I also request that, starting today, you refer to me by my new name and use the feminine pronoun (except in official mail to the confinement facility).
nhangen 13y ago
I don't see how the taxpayers should pay for this. One of the reasons the comments are so negative is because it feels like a smokescreen and/or a last attempt at sympathy. I don't care if he wants to become a girl, but he should wait until his/her time is served. I wonder if military prisons are monitored/protected any better than civilian prisons when it comes to that 'other' stuff.
- sp332 13y ago
  Manning preferred to be female well before the leaks or the trial. Also, the Army/taxpayers are paying for Manning's housing, food, clothes, and therapy even outside of prison.
  - nhangen 13y ago
    Typically, they would not provide hormone therapy because a) it is not essential for the job (they pull teeth instead of fix them for crying out loud) b) this is typically something that would lead to a medical discharge and in some cases, dishonorable discharge because it wasn't listed in the health questionnaire at time of application.
    - sp332 13y ago
      Sorry, I got my articles confused. According to http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convicted-leaker-manning-a-woman/2684009/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convict... Leavenworth provides psychiatric therapy but not hormone therapy. I'm not sure where Manning is hoping to get it, but it's not clear that it's going to be taxpayer-funded.
      - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
        Ooh, the magic words 'taxpayer funded' how about we also refuse to 'taxpayer fund' insulin for diabetic service members, or anti depressants for soldiers suffering from PTSD? Not gonna supply Lexapro on my dime!
drakeandrews 13y ago
s/he/she
- simias 13y ago
  Can you stop doing this all over the thread? If you have a point to make, make it, but this is just spam.
  - drakeandrews 13y ago
    The message(s) are the point. Misgendering people isn't nice, especially after someone has specifically laid out how they wish to be addressed. But yes, I will conceed I have been a little spammy and probably could have gone about it with less.
    - potatolicious 13y ago
      A little bit of tact would have been nice also. Most people in our society are still not used to referring to trans people. I highly doubt anyone here is misgendering on purpose - even people who are aware of the underlying issues will still slip up sometimes, because use of gendered pronouns is reflexive. Hell, I have a trans friend where I still struggle with correct pronoun usage. I've known her for a long time, and it takes a lot of conscious effort to override the reflex sometimes. We try, we're not perfect, so stop browbeating us about it.
- mkr-hn 13y ago
  Doing this repeatedly is likely to get you automatically hellbanned. A comment on this at the root level will probably get enough upvotes to bring it near the top.
  - drakeandrews 13y ago
    Thanks for the heads up.

by jstalin 13y ago

davidcollantes 13y ago

"It's just too bad that prison is where he has to go to get help." Why do you say that? Before now, he[she] lived a life, with plenty of opportunities to get help, or help him[her]self.

jstalin 13y ago
He acted out while in the Army, obviously behaving in a way that showed his superiors that he needed help, yet they did nothing. He was even busted back down to PFC from SPC. Yet, they put him back on the job. On top of that, he was living in the "don't ask don't tell" world of the military at the time, risking discharge for admitting that he was gay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Deployment_to_Iraq.2C_discussion_with_counselor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Deployment_to_...
- davidcollantes 13y ago
  He was not born in the Army, mate.
  - drakeandrews 13y ago
    s/he/she
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- drakeandrews 13y ago
  s/he/she s/him/her
  - ianmcstorm 13y ago
    Who gives a fuck?
    - aspensmonster 13y ago
      Well, apparently Manning gives a fuck. Who has also taken on the name Chelsea now. >I also request that, starting today, you refer to me by my new name and use the feminine pronoun (except in official mail to the confinement facility).

nhangen 13y ago

I don't see how the taxpayers should pay for this. One of the reasons the comments are so negative is because it feels like a smokescreen and/or a last attempt at sympathy. I don't care if he wants to become a girl, but he should wait until his/her time is served. I wonder if military prisons are monitored/protected any better than civilian prisons when it comes to that 'other' stuff.

sp332 13y ago
Manning preferred to be female well before the leaks or the trial. Also, the Army/taxpayers are paying for Manning's housing, food, clothes, and therapy even outside of prison.
- nhangen 13y ago
  Typically, they would not provide hormone therapy because a) it is not essential for the job (they pull teeth instead of fix them for crying out loud) b) this is typically something that would lead to a medical discharge and in some cases, dishonorable discharge because it wasn't listed in the health questionnaire at time of application.
  - sp332 13y ago
    Sorry, I got my articles confused. According to http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convicted-leaker-manning-a-woman/2684009/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convict... Leavenworth provides psychiatric therapy but not hormone therapy. I'm not sure where Manning is hoping to get it, but it's not clear that it's going to be taxpayer-funded.
    - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
      Ooh, the magic words 'taxpayer funded' how about we also refuse to 'taxpayer fund' insulin for diabetic service members, or anti depressants for soldiers suffering from PTSD? Not gonna supply Lexapro on my dime!

drakeandrews 13y ago

s/he/she

simias 13y ago
Can you stop doing this all over the thread? If you have a point to make, make it, but this is just spam.
- drakeandrews 13y ago
  The message(s) are the point. Misgendering people isn't nice, especially after someone has specifically laid out how they wish to be addressed. But yes, I will conceed I have been a little spammy and probably could have gone about it with less.
  - potatolicious 13y ago
    A little bit of tact would have been nice also. Most people in our society are still not used to referring to trans people. I highly doubt anyone here is misgendering on purpose - even people who are aware of the underlying issues will still slip up sometimes, because use of gendered pronouns is reflexive. Hell, I have a trans friend where I still struggle with correct pronoun usage. I've known her for a long time, and it takes a lot of conscious effort to override the reflex sometimes. We try, we're not perfect, so stop browbeating us about it.
mkr-hn 13y ago
Doing this repeatedly is likely to get you automatically hellbanned. A comment on this at the root level will probably get enough upvotes to bring it near the top.
- drakeandrews 13y ago
  Thanks for the heads up.